Musings...........

Haz08 · 05-06-2004, 11:29 PM

Well blackandblue, Blake is still a free agent if youre so turned on by him. If you really think Blake brought more to the game than Aaron I dont hardly see how you can say youve ever seen a football game before. look at how much better a player Aaron is.

Mods note: we dont need any talk like that, keep it clean

[Edited on 5/7/2004 by pakowitz]

BlackandBlue · 05-07-2004, 08:38 AM

Pak-

Can you please explain to me the difference in what I posted and what you changed it to? I\'m asking because I didn\'t realize that questioning someone\'s football knowledge was a board infraction. Namecalling, sure, but what I said can not be considered \"name calling.\"

Haz08-

I thought we were talking about Blake\'s arm strength. If you somehow get \"Blake/Brooks QB comparison\" out of me calling you to the floor for a rediculous statement, you will continually prove my previous statement for me.

[Edited on 7/5/2004 by BlackandBlue]

DatFu · 05-07-2004, 09:36 AM

pakowitz · 05-07-2004, 12:27 PM

what u said was that he didnt know what n the hell he was talkin about, i cant allow u to say something like that and thats Y i changed it

WhoDat · 05-07-2004, 04:11 PM

He doesn\'t know what he\'s talking about Pak, and far worse goes unnoticed here day in and day out. The guy said that Haslett changed the offense to allow Brooks to utilize the deep ball - something that Jeff Blake couldn\'t do. That\'s just wrong. AB\'s ability to throw the touch pass or deliver the deep ball on target have constantly been questioned. Blake made his mark on the league by being a deep ball specialist. I mean, I guess you could call this opinion, but it seems to be a pretty well documented fact to me. It\'s like saying the Steelers signed Duce Staley to add the power running game to their arsenal b/c Bettis just wasn\'t capable of playing the power game. It\'s totally inaccurate.

Denver (they\'ll have to pass without Portis).

Denver is not and will not be a \"passing team\" any time soon. They\'ve had 4 straight 1,000 yard rushers. Griffin will be number 5. Portis is a stud, so was TD, but their offensive line is the key to their success. Like SF and QBs, it really doesn\'t matter whose back there, they\'re going to play very well.

Haz08 · 05-07-2004, 05:26 PM

Yall wear me out. Anybody goes to disagree with you and you go crying to the moderators for your own nasty language. Whodat got all carried aways on Jim changing everything every year. I called bs on him. Jim aint changed nothing. The only thing thats changed is Jim has brought in guys that might help us win. The guys we draft are guys that are going to help us win. Jim aint running some kind of monkey-see monkey-do team here. Jims doing the same kind of offense now as from day one and the same kind of defense as from day one. I got sidetracked on why Blake got replaced. He threw the ball a long ways, but Aaron replaced him because he give us a better chance to win ball games. If big arm Blake was so great hed be startin in arizona this year. The problem with you boys is you throw around all this nasty language and then go cryin to the moderators when somebody gets tired of takin your nonsense or when the moderators clean up the verbal diarreha you put up on this board. You boys will probably rather gang up on the new fella than actually talk about football though.

JKool · 05-07-2004, 07:26 PM

Haz,

Don\'t take this the wrong way, but I\'m unclear on what you think is staying the same? As of your last post, it sounded like you were saying this: Jim hasn\'t changed his strategy at all, since his strategy is to win. Of course, that is everyone\'s goal, it was his short term goals that were interesting - in the midst of all this other stuff, I lost track of your original thesis.

WhoDat · 05-08-2004, 10:03 AM

Haz,

It\'s pretty clear that either A) you don\'t watch much football, or B) you don\'t understand what you see.

First, let me get this Blake nonsense out of the way. Neither I nor BnB are suggesting that Jeff Blake is a better option at QB than Aaron Brooks. However, you said that Haslett made the change b/c Brooks can scramble better and throw the long ball better. Those reasons are completely incorrect. We don\'t argue that Brooks is the better option, but the reasons you give show a distinct lack of football knowledge.

Now to the original issue. You think Haslett\'s strategy has stayed the same huh? When he got here we had Ricky Williams. Our offense was geared on an up-the-middle, hard nosed, pound it type of football game. Jim CHANGED that and went to a more pass oriented attack. He quickly substituted a speedier and more elusive Deuce for Williams. In 2002 we were chucking the ball all over the field. In 2003, Deuce was more of a focus.

The defense is even worse. We had a very good defense when Haslett got here. He made moves to ship out good players and bring in \"big boys\". Our defense dropped year over year until we were ranked 23rd or something like that in 2002. Then he went for speed, rebuilt the thing, and now his strategy is continuity.

The point in all of this is two-fold - first, things have changed a lot. They change every year. If you can\'t see that, well.... Second, the argument is not whether each of these individual strategies is good or bad, but whether or not it is a good idea to change your strategy every single year. IMO, it\'s a really bad idea. That\'s why we\'re on Haslett about it.

Is that clear enough for you to understand?

biloxi-indian · 05-08-2004, 10:43 AM

JKool,

Requirements of future Saints head coaching applicants (in no specific order);

It is my way or the HIGHWAY!

You put in the time at practice and you get playing time (PT)!

One detrimental comment about this team and you\'re gone!

Around here, you EARN respect, not demand IT!

Your ideal playing weight on this team is ----! Either eat or go on a diet, I don\'t care cause you will not get PT if you are NOT at your ideal weight.

I select the coaches, you follow their direction. This is not a democracy!

We took a vote, and yours did not count!

You complain to the press about me, your teammates, or this organization...you\'re gone!

I catch you smiling or laughing on the field when we are losing by 1 pt, much less 28, and you\'re PT will diminish!

You got a contract problem...get it settled BEFORE you come to practice...or GAME TIME!

BTW; your contract or bonus does not translate into automatic PT!

If you are hurt, tell me. If you are hurt, you have my permission to sit your arse on the bench!

Playing hurt isn\'t macho, but it does cause us to lose games.

I call the plays and you execute them! Got IT!

You don\'t like my defense, fine, find another team!

You don\'t like my offense, fine, find another team!

Playing football is a job which requires, few if any, mental mistakes. If you prone to making mental mistakes, find another job!

Life in football, as you once knew it, does not exist any longer!

You can have an ATTITUDE, as long as I give it to you!

I am a religous man, and understand your soul is God\'s, but while on this team your arse is MINE.

WINNING isn\'t everything...IT IS THE ONLY THING!

I do not SCREAM, but at the end of the day you will have wished I HAD!

What you do off the field is your business, as long as I know about it and approve of it beforehand!

You get drunk at a party, call a CAB!

You do drugs, get on a FAST TRAIN out of town!

You have a tendency to carry a weapon, drop the tendency!

You like shooting at people, join the MILITARY...they need good men like you!

[Edited on 8/5/2004 by biloxi-indian]

JKool · 05-09-2004, 12:33 PM

B-I,

I agree that coaches should have a very strict attitude about player conduct off the field and in terms of practice. I\'m fairly certain that Haz does - it is just not explicit for us. This is why so many \"cancers\" have hit the road.

IMO it is not that code that matters so much as what you do as a coach to make sure that your players follow the code. If you have a rule like \"no drugs or you\'re out\", you don\'t sell the players drugs.

A major knock against Haz, that I believe is the case is not that he isn\'t tough enough on players who aren\'t behaving as he\'d like, it is that he cannot get the players (motivate, lead, whathaveyou) to behave that way without mere punishments. Truly great coaches have both punishments and motivatiors (that is, they, for whatever reason, have the charisma to get players to WANT to not get punished rather than just not like the punishments).

Wow, that wasn\'t particularly clear, but I hope you got my idea.

05-06-2004, 11:29 PM	#51
Haz08 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 22	Musings........... Well blackandblue, Blake is still a free agent if youre so turned on by him. If you really think Blake brought more to the game than Aaron I dont hardly see how you can say youve ever seen a football game before. look at how much better a player Aaron is. Mods note: we dont need any talk like that, keep it clean [Edited on 5/7/2004 by pakowitz]
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05-07-2004, 08:38 AM	#52
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Musings........... Pak- Can you please explain to me the difference in what I posted and what you changed it to? I\'m asking because I didn\'t realize that questioning someone\'s football knowledge was a board infraction. Namecalling, sure, but what I said can not be considered \"name calling.\" Haz08- I thought we were talking about Blake\'s arm strength. If you somehow get \"Blake/Brooks QB comparison\" out of me calling you to the floor for a rediculous statement, you will continually prove my previous statement for me. [Edited on 7/5/2004 by BlackandBlue]

05-07-2004, 09:36 AM	#53
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05-07-2004, 12:27 PM	#54
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Musings........... what u said was that he didnt know what n the hell he was talkin about, i cant allow u to say something like that and thats Y i changed it

05-07-2004, 04:11 PM	#55
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Musings........... He doesn\'t know what he\'s talking about Pak, and far worse goes unnoticed here day in and day out. The guy said that Haslett changed the offense to allow Brooks to utilize the deep ball - something that Jeff Blake couldn\'t do. That\'s just wrong. AB\'s ability to throw the touch pass or deliver the deep ball on target have constantly been questioned. Blake made his mark on the league by being a deep ball specialist. I mean, I guess you could call this opinion, but it seems to be a pretty well documented fact to me. It\'s like saying the Steelers signed Duce Staley to add the power running game to their arsenal b/c Bettis just wasn\'t capable of playing the power game. It\'s totally inaccurate. Denver (they\'ll have to pass without Portis). Denver is not and will not be a \"passing team\" any time soon. They\'ve had 4 straight 1,000 yard rushers. Griffin will be number 5. Portis is a stud, so was TD, but their offensive line is the key to their success. Like SF and QBs, it really doesn\'t matter whose back there, they\'re going to play very well.
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05-07-2004, 05:26 PM	#56
Haz08 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 22	Musings........... Yall wear me out. Anybody goes to disagree with you and you go crying to the moderators for your own nasty language. Whodat got all carried aways on Jim changing everything every year. I called bs on him. Jim aint changed nothing. The only thing thats changed is Jim has brought in guys that might help us win. The guys we draft are guys that are going to help us win. Jim aint running some kind of monkey-see monkey-do team here. Jims doing the same kind of offense now as from day one and the same kind of defense as from day one. I got sidetracked on why Blake got replaced. He threw the ball a long ways, but Aaron replaced him because he give us a better chance to win ball games. If big arm Blake was so great hed be startin in arizona this year. The problem with you boys is you throw around all this nasty language and then go cryin to the moderators when somebody gets tired of takin your nonsense or when the moderators clean up the verbal diarreha you put up on this board. You boys will probably rather gang up on the new fella than actually talk about football though.
Haz08 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 22

05-07-2004, 07:26 PM	#57
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Musings........... Haz, Don\'t take this the wrong way, but I\'m unclear on what you think is staying the same? As of your last post, it sounded like you were saying this: Jim hasn\'t changed his strategy at all, since his strategy is to win. Of course, that is everyone\'s goal, it was his short term goals that were interesting - in the midst of all this other stuff, I lost track of your original thesis.

05-08-2004, 10:03 AM	#58
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Musings........... Haz, It\'s pretty clear that either A) you don\'t watch much football, or B) you don\'t understand what you see. First, let me get this Blake nonsense out of the way. Neither I nor BnB are suggesting that Jeff Blake is a better option at QB than Aaron Brooks. However, you said that Haslett made the change b/c Brooks can scramble better and throw the long ball better. Those reasons are completely incorrect. We don\'t argue that Brooks is the better option, but the reasons you give show a distinct lack of football knowledge. Now to the original issue. You think Haslett\'s strategy has stayed the same huh? When he got here we had Ricky Williams. Our offense was geared on an up-the-middle, hard nosed, pound it type of football game. Jim CHANGED that and went to a more pass oriented attack. He quickly substituted a speedier and more elusive Deuce for Williams. In 2002 we were chucking the ball all over the field. In 2003, Deuce was more of a focus. The defense is even worse. We had a very good defense when Haslett got here. He made moves to ship out good players and bring in \"big boys\". Our defense dropped year over year until we were ranked 23rd or something like that in 2002. Then he went for speed, rebuilt the thing, and now his strategy is continuity. The point in all of this is two-fold - first, things have changed a lot. They change every year. If you can\'t see that, well.... Second, the argument is not whether each of these individual strategies is good or bad, but whether or not it is a good idea to change your strategy every single year. IMO, it\'s a really bad idea. That\'s why we\'re on Haslett about it. Is that clear enough for you to understand?
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

05-08-2004, 10:43 AM	#59
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Musings........... JKool, Requirements of future Saints head coaching applicants (in no specific order); It is my way or the HIGHWAY! You put in the time at practice and you get playing time (PT)! One detrimental comment about this team and you\'re gone! Around here, you EARN respect, not demand IT! Your ideal playing weight on this team is ----! Either eat or go on a diet, I don\'t care cause you will not get PT if you are NOT at your ideal weight. I select the coaches, you follow their direction. This is not a democracy! We took a vote, and yours did not count! You complain to the press about me, your teammates, or this organization...you\'re gone! I catch you smiling or laughing on the field when we are losing by 1 pt, much less 28, and you\'re PT will diminish! You got a contract problem...get it settled BEFORE you come to practice...or GAME TIME! BTW; your contract or bonus does not translate into automatic PT! If you are hurt, tell me. If you are hurt, you have my permission to sit your arse on the bench! Playing hurt isn\'t macho, but it does cause us to lose games. I call the plays and you execute them! Got IT! You don\'t like my defense, fine, find another team! You don\'t like my offense, fine, find another team! Playing football is a job which requires, few if any, mental mistakes. If you prone to making mental mistakes, find another job! Life in football, as you once knew it, does not exist any longer! You can have an ATTITUDE, as long as I give it to you! I am a religous man, and understand your soul is God\'s, but while on this team your arse is MINE. WINNING isn\'t everything...IT IS THE ONLY THING! I do not SCREAM, but at the end of the day you will have wished I HAD! What you do off the field is your business, as long as I know about it and approve of it beforehand! You get drunk at a party, call a CAB! You do drugs, get on a FAST TRAIN out of town! You have a tendency to carry a weapon, drop the tendency! You like shooting at people, join the MILITARY...they need good men like you! [Edited on 8/5/2004 by biloxi-indian]
	Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over, over, and over again...and expecting a different outcome!

05-09-2004, 12:33 PM	#60
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Musings........... B-I, I agree that coaches should have a very strict attitude about player conduct off the field and in terms of practice. I\'m fairly certain that Haz does - it is just not explicit for us. This is why so many \"cancers\" have hit the road. IMO it is not that code that matters so much as what you do as a coach to make sure that your players follow the code. If you have a rule like \"no drugs or you\'re out\", you don\'t sell the players drugs. A major knock against Haz, that I believe is the case is not that he isn\'t tough enough on players who aren\'t behaving as he\'d like, it is that he cannot get the players (motivate, lead, whathaveyou) to behave that way without mere punishments. Truly great coaches have both punishments and motivatiors (that is, they, for whatever reason, have the charisma to get players to WANT to not get punished rather than just not like the punishments). Wow, that wasn\'t particularly clear, but I hope you got my idea.
	"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks