No movement on Brees talks - Brees has had highest paid player in NFL deal on table since 6/11/12

The Dude · 07-09-2012, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

We could sign him and trade him. I love Brees but at 33 how many more years are truly left, #1 picks for x amount of years we may get lucky. I don't like being taken advantage of and if this article is true that is what he he is doing.

Yea he is 33 but who else is going to get us to the Super Bowl in the next 5 years. If we were to get a 1st given to us and used it to draft a QB it would be 5 years before he was good enough to get us to a Super Bowl anyway, especially since next years draft class is slim for QBs. If we want a SB in the next 5 years the only way we are going to get it is with Brees. After that we can rebuild. Why would we want to start now?

|Mitch| · 07-09-2012, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

If we want a SB in the next 5 years the only way we are going to get it is with Brees. After that we can rebuild. Why would we want to start now?

We're not going to be in rebuilding mode for quite awhile; we have young promising players everywhere but QB.

And if our defense improves anything like we all think it will next year, a decent QB could probably get us to the playoffs, where the defense wins...

With that said, I want Drew to be with the team for the rest of his career, but I also don't want to sacrifice the team to sign him for an ungodly amount

TheOak · 07-10-2012, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

We could sign him and trade him. I love Brees but at 33 how many more years are truly left, #1 picks for x amount of years we may get lucky. I don't like being taken advantage of and if this article is true that is what he he is doing.

Are you serious? "Taken advantage of"?

It is the front offices job to get Brees as absolutely cheap as possible, and it is Brees's job to get as much money as he can. Negotiations always come down to the wire because both sides have directly conflicting interests.

The front office starts out at 1 and Brees starts out at 10.... No one jumps to 5 off the bat even though both parties know they will probably end up at 5. Each side moves at a very slow pace incrementally hoping the other side will panic and agree to a deal before it reaches the middle.

This exact reason is why not everyone is cut out or can stomach contract negotiations, it is why players have reps that can stomach the game... contract negotiations are a game of chicken to see who turns first.

What Brees KNOWS is that on the open market some team will be eager to pay him 25 mil a year to have a Superbowl winning caliber QB. There are presently ONLY 5 playing in the league that are proven, and none are on the market. There are a lot of teams that are a Drew Brees away from winning a Super Bowl. The 49er's with Brees at QB is a perfect example.

|Mitch| · 07-10-2012, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

The 49er's with Brees at QB is a perfect example.

That is a really scary thought... Think of that defense with an elite quarterback, they'd be unstoppable

Wait, we may have the defense this year...

TheOak · 07-10-2012, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

That is a really scary thought... Think of that defense with an elite quarterback, they'd be unstoppable

Wait, we may have the defense this year...

And with SF having 20.7M in cap space... Everyone knows they wanted manning.

burningmetal · 07-10-2012, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Are you serious? "Taken advantage of"?

It is the front offices job to get Brees as absolutely cheap as possible, and it is Brees's job to get as much money as he can. Negotiations always come down to the wire because both sides have directly conflicting interests.

The front office starts out at 1 and Brees starts out at 10.... No one jumps to 5 off the bat even though both parties know they will probably end up at 5. Each side moves at a very slow pace incrementally hoping the other side will panic and agree to a deal before it reaches the middle.

This exact reason is why not everyone is cut out or can stomach contract negotiations, it is why players have reps that can stomach the game... contract negotiations are a game of chicken to see who turns first.

What Brees KNOWS is that on the open market some team will be eager to pay him 25 mil a year to have a Superbowl winning caliber QB. There are presently ONLY 5 playing in the league that are proven, and none are on the market. There are a lot of teams that are a Drew Brees away from winning a Super Bowl. The 49er's with Brees at QB is a perfect example.

That could possibly be true, but keep in mind that there are presently no teams with the kind of talent the Saints have assembled around him. Green Bay and maybe New England were the only teams anywhere near our class in terms of offensive production last year, but neither of those teams has the depth of weapons we do. So if Drew is interested in winning, which I think he is, then he would be unwise to walk away from this team.

He's playing hardball now, but if the Saints don't cave first I think he will. No way he's leaving the Saints. So given the Saints cap situation, this is what has a lot of us annoyed that this contract isn't done. Because what the Saints have offered is probably more than they can truly afford without shuffling some existing contracts. Everyone seems to believe the hang up is guaranteed money... Well, guaranteed money is what counts against the cap in the first place. It's up to him whether he wants to win and make good money or be on a mediocre team (or at least a mediocre offense from a personnel standpoint) for slightly more money.

I believe Drew is the best QB in the league, but of all the great quarterbacks in the league, they've all had their success in one system. Nobody knows what any of them would do if they ran a different offense. It's risky for a man at 33 years of age to assume that he could go somewhere else and turn that team around quickly. All the pieces are in place here for him to simply continue his dominance.

TheOak · 07-10-2012, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

That could possibly be true, but keep in mind that there are presently no teams with the kind of talent the Saints have assembled around him. Green Bay and maybe New England were the only teams anywhere near our class in terms of offensive production last year, but neither of those teams has the depth of weapons we do. So if Drew is interested in winning, which I think he is, then he would be unwise to walk away from this team.

He's playing hardball now, but if the Saints don't cave first I think he will. No way he's leaving the Saints. So given the Saints cap situation, this is what has a lot of us annoyed that this contract isn't done. Because what the Saints have offered is probably more than they can truly afford without shuffling some existing contracts. Everyone seems to believe the hang up is guaranteed money... Well, guaranteed money is what counts against the cap in the first place. It's up to him whether he wants to win and make good money or be on a mediocre team (or at least a mediocre offense from a personnel standpoint) for slightly more money.

I believe Drew is the best QB in the league, but of all the great quarterbacks in the league, they've all had their success in one system. Nobody knows what any of them would do if they ran a different offense. It's risky for a man at 33 years of age to assume that he could go somewhere else and turn that team around quickly. All the pieces are in place here for him to simply continue his dominance.

When you bring in a Brees, you bring in his system... Just like Denver converted to the "Manning Way".... You do not take in a Manning, Brees, or Brady and make them conform to your system. The New Orleans Saints offense was built around Drew Brees, he is what makes it work.

Drew makes everyone around him better, each and every players on that offense will tell you they have more confidence when Brees is on the field.

Not exactly a perfect example... but.... Indianapolis the year with out Payton Manning. Wayne was a top 10 receiver in 2009, 2010... In 2011 the year with no Manning he didn't break the top 20, and they went 2-14.

We should not get lulled into believing Drew can be replaced and the other 10 on the offense will preform as they did with him.

burningmetal · 07-10-2012, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

When you bring in a Brees, you bring in his system... Just like Denver converted to the "Manning Way".... You do not take in a Manning, Brees, or Brady and make them conform to your system. The New Orleans Saints offense was built around Drew Brees, he is what makes it work.

Drew makes everyone around him better, each and every players on that offense will tell you they have more confidence when Brees is on the field.

Not exactly a perfect example... but.... Indianapolis the year with out Payton Manning. Wayne was a top 10 receiver in 2009, 2010... In 2011 the year with no Manning he didn't break the top 20, and they went 2-14.

We should not get lulled into believing Drew can be replaced and the other 10 on the offense will preform as they did with him.

I'm not in any way saying we could replace him, I'm only suggesting he can't assume he'll have the same success elsewhere. We're assuming the Broncos will convert to Manning's system, but Manning didn't create that system. Tom Moore did. Is Peyton going to teach it to his new mates? That's an awful lot of responsibility, and we have yet to see him play with his new team. Everyone talks about how he called the plays in Indy, and while that may have been true a lot of the time, he had an offensive coordinator to teach it. I didn't really pay attention to any hires they may have made, so maybe they hired an OC who runs that style of offense.

I don't think it's as easy as just following a blueprint, though. There are a lot of teams trying to mimic each other right now, but it takes good coaching to make it run smoothly. Sean Payton has a proven track record as the best offensive mind in football, whereas Manning enters a franchise that hasn't been able to spell offense in recent years. I absolutely believe he makes that team better, but I don't think they're title contenders.

We'll see. This is only my opinion. I Just don't think there's anywhere Drew can go where he'd be better off.

The Dude · 07-09-2012, 08:01 PM

Plus you don't just let a once in a lifetime QB go without a contingency plan. The Colts had Andrew Luck we have nobody. Don't say Chase either because he is not the future here. I could see it happening if we had an idea of where we would pick in the first round and their was a QB that would fit our system or we could build around in the draft, but there is not.

bobdog86 · 07-09-2012, 08:33 PM

The pieces to win a super bowl are in place, RIGHT NOW, the thought of rebuilding is idiocy and ignorant. So, for Drew and the Saints it's in the best interest of both parties to figure this out, which I'm confident they will. The thing everyone needs to ask themselves is this,"Do I want to win in the next 4-5 years? if so, we sign him and be on our way. If we care more about our team than any one player, then let him play under the tag this year and probably move with a different plan moving forward. I doubt if he plays under the tag this year, we tag him again next year. And then accept it. The decision is what does each of us want? I personally want him signed, to satisfy my selfish desires. Sorry.

07-09-2012, 07:49 PM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Originally Posted by halloween 65 We could sign him and trade him. I love Brees but at 33 how many more years are truly left, #1 picks for x amount of years we may get lucky. I don't like being taken advantage of and if this article is true that is what he he is doing. Yea he is 33 but who else is going to get us to the Super Bowl in the next 5 years. If we were to get a 1st given to us and used it to draft a QB it would be 5 years before he was good enough to get us to a Super Bowl anyway, especially since next years draft class is slim for QBs. If we want a SB in the next 5 years the only way we are going to get it is with Brees. After that we can rebuild. Why would we want to start now?
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07-09-2012, 08:04 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by The Dude If we want a SB in the next 5 years the only way we are going to get it is with Brees. After that we can rebuild. Why would we want to start now? We're not going to be in rebuilding mode for quite awhile; we have young promising players everywhere but QB. And if our defense improves anything like we all think it will next year, a decent QB could probably get us to the playoffs, where the defense wins... With that said, I want Drew to be with the team for the rest of his career, but I also don't want to sacrifice the team to sign him for an ungodly amount

07-10-2012, 06:24 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,041	Originally Posted by halloween 65 We could sign him and trade him. I love Brees but at 33 how many more years are truly left, #1 picks for x amount of years we may get lucky. I don't like being taken advantage of and if this article is true that is what he he is doing. Are you serious? "Taken advantage of"? It is the front offices job to get Brees as absolutely cheap as possible, and it is Brees's job to get as much money as he can. Negotiations always come down to the wire because both sides have directly conflicting interests. The front office starts out at 1 and Brees starts out at 10.... No one jumps to 5 off the bat even though both parties know they will probably end up at 5. Each side moves at a very slow pace incrementally hoping the other side will panic and agree to a deal before it reaches the middle. This exact reason is why not everyone is cut out or can stomach contract negotiations, it is why players have reps that can stomach the game... contract negotiations are a game of chicken to see who turns first. What Brees KNOWS is that on the open market some team will be eager to pay him 25 mil a year to have a Superbowl winning caliber QB. There are presently ONLY 5 playing in the league that are proven, and none are on the market. There are a lot of teams that are a Drew Brees away from winning a Super Bowl. The 49er's with Brees at QB is a perfect example.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

07-10-2012, 09:25 AM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by x626xBlack The 49er's with Brees at QB is a perfect example. That is a really scary thought... Think of that defense with an elite quarterback, they'd be unstoppable Wait, we may have the defense this year...

07-10-2012, 09:59 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,041	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| That is a really scary thought... Think of that defense with an elite quarterback, they'd be unstoppable Wait, we may have the defense this year... And with SF having 20.7M in cap space... Everyone knows they wanted manning.

07-10-2012, 10:30 AM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Are you serious? "Taken advantage of"? It is the front offices job to get Brees as absolutely cheap as possible, and it is Brees's job to get as much money as he can. Negotiations always come down to the wire because both sides have directly conflicting interests. The front office starts out at 1 and Brees starts out at 10.... No one jumps to 5 off the bat even though both parties know they will probably end up at 5. Each side moves at a very slow pace incrementally hoping the other side will panic and agree to a deal before it reaches the middle. This exact reason is why not everyone is cut out or can stomach contract negotiations, it is why players have reps that can stomach the game... contract negotiations are a game of chicken to see who turns first. What Brees KNOWS is that on the open market some team will be eager to pay him 25 mil a year to have a Superbowl winning caliber QB. There are presently ONLY 5 playing in the league that are proven, and none are on the market. There are a lot of teams that are a Drew Brees away from winning a Super Bowl. The 49er's with Brees at QB is a perfect example. That could possibly be true, but keep in mind that there are presently no teams with the kind of talent the Saints have assembled around him. Green Bay and maybe New England were the only teams anywhere near our class in terms of offensive production last year, but neither of those teams has the depth of weapons we do. So if Drew is interested in winning, which I think he is, then he would be unwise to walk away from this team. He's playing hardball now, but if the Saints don't cave first I think he will. No way he's leaving the Saints. So given the Saints cap situation, this is what has a lot of us annoyed that this contract isn't done. Because what the Saints have offered is probably more than they can truly afford without shuffling some existing contracts. Everyone seems to believe the hang up is guaranteed money... Well, guaranteed money is what counts against the cap in the first place. It's up to him whether he wants to win and make good money or be on a mediocre team (or at least a mediocre offense from a personnel standpoint) for slightly more money. I believe Drew is the best QB in the league, but of all the great quarterbacks in the league, they've all had their success in one system. Nobody knows what any of them would do if they ran a different offense. It's risky for a man at 33 years of age to assume that he could go somewhere else and turn that team around quickly. All the pieces are in place here for him to simply continue his dominance.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

07-10-2012, 12:46 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,041	Originally Posted by burningmetal That could possibly be true, but keep in mind that there are presently no teams with the kind of talent the Saints have assembled around him. Green Bay and maybe New England were the only teams anywhere near our class in terms of offensive production last year, but neither of those teams has the depth of weapons we do. So if Drew is interested in winning, which I think he is, then he would be unwise to walk away from this team. He's playing hardball now, but if the Saints don't cave first I think he will. No way he's leaving the Saints. So given the Saints cap situation, this is what has a lot of us annoyed that this contract isn't done. Because what the Saints have offered is probably more than they can truly afford without shuffling some existing contracts. Everyone seems to believe the hang up is guaranteed money... Well, guaranteed money is what counts against the cap in the first place. It's up to him whether he wants to win and make good money or be on a mediocre team (or at least a mediocre offense from a personnel standpoint) for slightly more money. I believe Drew is the best QB in the league, but of all the great quarterbacks in the league, they've all had their success in one system. Nobody knows what any of them would do if they ran a different offense. It's risky for a man at 33 years of age to assume that he could go somewhere else and turn that team around quickly. All the pieces are in place here for him to simply continue his dominance. When you bring in a Brees, you bring in his system... Just like Denver converted to the "Manning Way".... You do not take in a Manning, Brees, or Brady and make them conform to your system. The New Orleans Saints offense was built around Drew Brees, he is what makes it work. Drew makes everyone around him better, each and every players on that offense will tell you they have more confidence when Brees is on the field. Not exactly a perfect example... but.... Indianapolis the year with out Payton Manning. Wayne was a top 10 receiver in 2009, 2010... In 2011 the year with no Manning he didn't break the top 20, and they went 2-14. We should not get lulled into believing Drew can be replaced and the other 10 on the offense will preform as they did with him.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

07-10-2012, 01:35 PM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by x626xBlack When you bring in a Brees, you bring in his system... Just like Denver converted to the "Manning Way".... You do not take in a Manning, Brees, or Brady and make them conform to your system. The New Orleans Saints offense was built around Drew Brees, he is what makes it work. Drew makes everyone around him better, each and every players on that offense will tell you they have more confidence when Brees is on the field. Not exactly a perfect example... but.... Indianapolis the year with out Payton Manning. Wayne was a top 10 receiver in 2009, 2010... In 2011 the year with no Manning he didn't break the top 20, and they went 2-14. We should not get lulled into believing Drew can be replaced and the other 10 on the offense will preform as they did with him. I'm not in any way saying we could replace him, I'm only suggesting he can't assume he'll have the same success elsewhere. We're assuming the Broncos will convert to Manning's system, but Manning didn't create that system. Tom Moore did. Is Peyton going to teach it to his new mates? That's an awful lot of responsibility, and we have yet to see him play with his new team. Everyone talks about how he called the plays in Indy, and while that may have been true a lot of the time, he had an offensive coordinator to teach it. I didn't really pay attention to any hires they may have made, so maybe they hired an OC who runs that style of offense. I don't think it's as easy as just following a blueprint, though. There are a lot of teams trying to mimic each other right now, but it takes good coaching to make it run smoothly. Sean Payton has a proven track record as the best offensive mind in football, whereas Manning enters a franchise that hasn't been able to spell offense in recent years. I absolutely believe he makes that team better, but I don't think they're title contenders. We'll see. This is only my opinion. I Just don't think there's anywhere Drew can go where he'd be better off.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Plus you don't just let a once in a lifetime QB go without a contingency plan. The Colts had Andrew Luck we have nobody. Don't say Chase either because he is not the future here. I could see it happening if we had an idea of where we would pick in the first round and their was a QB that would fit our system or we could build around in the draft, but there is not.
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07-09-2012, 08:33 PM	#10
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,485	The pieces to win a super bowl are in place, RIGHT NOW, the thought of rebuilding is idiocy and ignorant. So, for Drew and the Saints it's in the best interest of both parties to figure this out, which I'm confident they will. The thing everyone needs to ask themselves is this,"Do I want to win in the next 4-5 years? if so, we sign him and be on our way. If we care more about our team than any one player, then let him play under the tag this year and probably move with a different plan moving forward. I doubt if he plays under the tag this year, we tag him again next year. And then accept it. The decision is what does each of us want? I personally want him signed, to satisfy my selfish desires. Sorry.

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