No movement on Brees talks - Brees has had highest paid player in NFL deal on table since 6/11/12

07-10-2012, 01:08 PM

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TheOak · 07-10-2012, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

That could possibly be true, but keep in mind that there are presently no teams with the kind of talent the Saints have assembled around him. Green Bay and maybe New England were the only teams anywhere near our class in terms of offensive production last year, but neither of those teams has the depth of weapons we do. So if Drew is interested in winning, which I think he is, then he would be unwise to walk away from this team.

He's playing hardball now, but if the Saints don't cave first I think he will. No way he's leaving the Saints. So given the Saints cap situation, this is what has a lot of us annoyed that this contract isn't done. Because what the Saints have offered is probably more than they can truly afford without shuffling some existing contracts. Everyone seems to believe the hang up is guaranteed money... Well, guaranteed money is what counts against the cap in the first place. It's up to him whether he wants to win and make good money or be on a mediocre team (or at least a mediocre offense from a personnel standpoint) for slightly more money.

I believe Drew is the best QB in the league, but of all the great quarterbacks in the league, they've all had their success in one system. Nobody knows what any of them would do if they ran a different offense. It's risky for a man at 33 years of age to assume that he could go somewhere else and turn that team around quickly. All the pieces are in place here for him to simply continue his dominance.

When you bring in a Brees, you bring in his system... Just like Denver converted to the "Manning Way".... You do not take in a Manning, Brees, or Brady and make them conform to your system. The New Orleans Saints offense was built around Drew Brees, he is what makes it work.

Drew makes everyone around him better, each and every players on that offense will tell you they have more confidence when Brees is on the field.

Not exactly a perfect example... but.... Indianapolis the year with out Payton Manning. Wayne was a top 10 receiver in 2009, 2010... In 2011 the year with no Manning he didn't break the top 20, and they went 2-14.

We should not get lulled into believing Drew can be replaced and the other 10 on the offense will preform as they did with him.

burningmetal · 07-10-2012, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

When you bring in a Brees, you bring in his system... Just like Denver converted to the "Manning Way".... You do not take in a Manning, Brees, or Brady and make them conform to your system. The New Orleans Saints offense was built around Drew Brees, he is what makes it work.

Drew makes everyone around him better, each and every players on that offense will tell you they have more confidence when Brees is on the field.

Not exactly a perfect example... but.... Indianapolis the year with out Payton Manning. Wayne was a top 10 receiver in 2009, 2010... In 2011 the year with no Manning he didn't break the top 20, and they went 2-14.

We should not get lulled into believing Drew can be replaced and the other 10 on the offense will preform as they did with him.

I'm not in any way saying we could replace him, I'm only suggesting he can't assume he'll have the same success elsewhere. We're assuming the Broncos will convert to Manning's system, but Manning didn't create that system. Tom Moore did. Is Peyton going to teach it to his new mates? That's an awful lot of responsibility, and we have yet to see him play with his new team. Everyone talks about how he called the plays in Indy, and while that may have been true a lot of the time, he had an offensive coordinator to teach it. I didn't really pay attention to any hires they may have made, so maybe they hired an OC who runs that style of offense.

I don't think it's as easy as just following a blueprint, though. There are a lot of teams trying to mimic each other right now, but it takes good coaching to make it run smoothly. Sean Payton has a proven track record as the best offensive mind in football, whereas Manning enters a franchise that hasn't been able to spell offense in recent years. I absolutely believe he makes that team better, but I don't think they're title contenders.

We'll see. This is only my opinion. I Just don't think there's anywhere Drew can go where he'd be better off.

TheOak · 07-10-2012, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm not in any way saying we could replace him, I'm only suggesting he can't assume he'll have the same success elsewhere. We're assuming the Broncos will convert to Manning's system, but Manning didn't create that system. Tom Moore did. Is Peyton going to teach it to his new mates? That's an awful lot of responsibility, and we have yet to see him play with his new team. Everyone talks about how he called the plays in Indy, and while that may have been true a lot of the time, he had an offensive coordinator to teach it. I didn't really pay attention to any hires they may have made, so maybe they hired an OC who runs that style of offense.

I don't think it's as easy as just following a blueprint, though. There are a lot of teams trying to mimic each other right now, but it takes good coaching to make it run smoothly. Sean Payton has a proven track record as the best offensive mind in football, whereas Manning enters a franchise that hasn't been able to spell offense in recent years. I absolutely believe he makes that team better, but I don't think they're title contenders.

We'll see. This is only my opinion. I Just don't think there's anywhere Drew can go where he'd be better off.

Brees with San Francisco's Defense would be a top team.. Better off? Depends on how you look at it. If SF offered him the contract he wanted... financially he would be better off. If offensive production fell off 25 percent in SF the defense would make up for it.

burningmetal · 07-11-2012, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Brees with San Francisco's Defense would be a top team.. Better off? Depends on how you look at it. If SF offered him the contract he wanted... financially he would be better off. If offensive production fell off 25 percent in SF the defense would make up for it.

Sure he'd be a little better off financially, which is why I said he'd have to make a choice of what's more important to him. As for the 49ers defense, they're alright right now, but in the era of the salary cap you can only place an emphasis on one side of the ball, and hope you get lucky on the other side. That being said, eventually the 49ers are going to have to pay some big bucks on their younger defensive players. If they commit 23 million or more a year on Drew, they won't be able to retain many of those players. It's a matter of stability that I'm trying to explain.

Things are constantly changing in the NFL. Dominant teams rise and fall just as quickly. But when I look back over the last 15 years, the only teams who have had any type of sustained success have been the Colts (until last year of course) and the Patriots. It takes a rare type of shrewd franchise to establish more than just a year or two of success in this age of the game. The Saints have shown all the characteristics of being the next team in that class. We've been a title contender for the last three years, have made the players 4 times in 6 years, but even when we went through that two year stretch of missing the playoffs we were able to keep the core of the team together. The ability to scout and develop so many under the radar players and turn them into stars, or at the very least major contributors, has been the key ingredient to this run and it's what separates us from other franchises.

Why would anyone want to walk away from that? Peyton Manning didn't want to leave the Colts, I'm quite sure of that. But he had no choice, because they felt that they had to be proactive in taking who they believe is their next franchise quarterback, and using the money they would have given to Manning to help build a team around Andrew Luck, rather than play out the string with Manning.

Those are the kinds of decisions that a good franchise has to make. But Drew, unlike Peyton, has a choice. Nobody is kicking him out the door. But if it's all about the money, then I guess he'll walk. I hope not.

burningmetal · 07-11-2012, 04:52 AM

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing with you that Drew wouldn't give any team it's best chance at a title. You build your team around a great quarterback, as the Saints have with him. At 33, he's certainly got a lot left in the tank, but that's a little too old for some team to throw all their assets into. The Broncos decided to do that with a 36 year old, and personally I think they're idiots for it. For Peyton, it was the obvious choice considering his former team didn't want him anymore.

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07-10-2012, 01:46 PM	#32
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by burningmetal That could possibly be true, but keep in mind that there are presently no teams with the kind of talent the Saints have assembled around him. Green Bay and maybe New England were the only teams anywhere near our class in terms of offensive production last year, but neither of those teams has the depth of weapons we do. So if Drew is interested in winning, which I think he is, then he would be unwise to walk away from this team. He's playing hardball now, but if the Saints don't cave first I think he will. No way he's leaving the Saints. So given the Saints cap situation, this is what has a lot of us annoyed that this contract isn't done. Because what the Saints have offered is probably more than they can truly afford without shuffling some existing contracts. Everyone seems to believe the hang up is guaranteed money... Well, guaranteed money is what counts against the cap in the first place. It's up to him whether he wants to win and make good money or be on a mediocre team (or at least a mediocre offense from a personnel standpoint) for slightly more money. I believe Drew is the best QB in the league, but of all the great quarterbacks in the league, they've all had their success in one system. Nobody knows what any of them would do if they ran a different offense. It's risky for a man at 33 years of age to assume that he could go somewhere else and turn that team around quickly. All the pieces are in place here for him to simply continue his dominance. When you bring in a Brees, you bring in his system... Just like Denver converted to the "Manning Way".... You do not take in a Manning, Brees, or Brady and make them conform to your system. The New Orleans Saints offense was built around Drew Brees, he is what makes it work. Drew makes everyone around him better, each and every players on that offense will tell you they have more confidence when Brees is on the field. Not exactly a perfect example... but.... Indianapolis the year with out Payton Manning. Wayne was a top 10 receiver in 2009, 2010... In 2011 the year with no Manning he didn't break the top 20, and they went 2-14. We should not get lulled into believing Drew can be replaced and the other 10 on the offense will preform as they did with him.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

07-10-2012, 02:35 PM	#33
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by x626xBlack When you bring in a Brees, you bring in his system... Just like Denver converted to the "Manning Way".... You do not take in a Manning, Brees, or Brady and make them conform to your system. The New Orleans Saints offense was built around Drew Brees, he is what makes it work. Drew makes everyone around him better, each and every players on that offense will tell you they have more confidence when Brees is on the field. Not exactly a perfect example... but.... Indianapolis the year with out Payton Manning. Wayne was a top 10 receiver in 2009, 2010... In 2011 the year with no Manning he didn't break the top 20, and they went 2-14. We should not get lulled into believing Drew can be replaced and the other 10 on the offense will preform as they did with him. I'm not in any way saying we could replace him, I'm only suggesting he can't assume he'll have the same success elsewhere. We're assuming the Broncos will convert to Manning's system, but Manning didn't create that system. Tom Moore did. Is Peyton going to teach it to his new mates? That's an awful lot of responsibility, and we have yet to see him play with his new team. Everyone talks about how he called the plays in Indy, and while that may have been true a lot of the time, he had an offensive coordinator to teach it. I didn't really pay attention to any hires they may have made, so maybe they hired an OC who runs that style of offense. I don't think it's as easy as just following a blueprint, though. There are a lot of teams trying to mimic each other right now, but it takes good coaching to make it run smoothly. Sean Payton has a proven track record as the best offensive mind in football, whereas Manning enters a franchise that hasn't been able to spell offense in recent years. I absolutely believe he makes that team better, but I don't think they're title contenders. We'll see. This is only my opinion. I Just don't think there's anywhere Drew can go where he'd be better off.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

07-10-2012, 04:00 PM	#34
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm not in any way saying we could replace him, I'm only suggesting he can't assume he'll have the same success elsewhere. We're assuming the Broncos will convert to Manning's system, but Manning didn't create that system. Tom Moore did. Is Peyton going to teach it to his new mates? That's an awful lot of responsibility, and we have yet to see him play with his new team. Everyone talks about how he called the plays in Indy, and while that may have been true a lot of the time, he had an offensive coordinator to teach it. I didn't really pay attention to any hires they may have made, so maybe they hired an OC who runs that style of offense. I don't think it's as easy as just following a blueprint, though. There are a lot of teams trying to mimic each other right now, but it takes good coaching to make it run smoothly. Sean Payton has a proven track record as the best offensive mind in football, whereas Manning enters a franchise that hasn't been able to spell offense in recent years. I absolutely believe he makes that team better, but I don't think they're title contenders. We'll see. This is only my opinion. I Just don't think there's anywhere Drew can go where he'd be better off. Brees with San Francisco's Defense would be a top team.. Better off? Depends on how you look at it. If SF offered him the contract he wanted... financially he would be better off. If offensive production fell off 25 percent in SF the defense would make up for it.

07-11-2012, 04:43 AM	#35
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Brees with San Francisco's Defense would be a top team.. Better off? Depends on how you look at it. If SF offered him the contract he wanted... financially he would be better off. If offensive production fell off 25 percent in SF the defense would make up for it. Sure he'd be a little better off financially, which is why I said he'd have to make a choice of what's more important to him. As for the 49ers defense, they're alright right now, but in the era of the salary cap you can only place an emphasis on one side of the ball, and hope you get lucky on the other side. That being said, eventually the 49ers are going to have to pay some big bucks on their younger defensive players. If they commit 23 million or more a year on Drew, they won't be able to retain many of those players. It's a matter of stability that I'm trying to explain. Things are constantly changing in the NFL. Dominant teams rise and fall just as quickly. But when I look back over the last 15 years, the only teams who have had any type of sustained success have been the Colts (until last year of course) and the Patriots. It takes a rare type of shrewd franchise to establish more than just a year or two of success in this age of the game. The Saints have shown all the characteristics of being the next team in that class. We've been a title contender for the last three years, have made the players 4 times in 6 years, but even when we went through that two year stretch of missing the playoffs we were able to keep the core of the team together. The ability to scout and develop so many under the radar players and turn them into stars, or at the very least major contributors, has been the key ingredient to this run and it's what separates us from other franchises. Why would anyone want to walk away from that? Peyton Manning didn't want to leave the Colts, I'm quite sure of that. But he had no choice, because they felt that they had to be proactive in taking who they believe is their next franchise quarterback, and using the money they would have given to Manning to help build a team around Andrew Luck, rather than play out the string with Manning. Those are the kinds of decisions that a good franchise has to make. But Drew, unlike Peyton, has a choice. Nobody is kicking him out the door. But if it's all about the money, then I guess he'll walk. I hope not.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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07-11-2012, 04:52 AM	#36
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing with you that Drew wouldn't give any team it's best chance at a title. You build your team around a great quarterback, as the Saints have with him. At 33, he's certainly got a lot left in the tank, but that's a little too old for some team to throw all their assets into. The Broncos decided to do that with a 36 year old, and personally I think they're idiots for it. For Peyton, it was the obvious choice considering his former team didn't want him anymore.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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