It could be worse but...

Boutte · 08-26-2012, 11:13 AM

We've lost our HC, interem HC, defensive captain GM and have a new DC. That's bad but we've had time to adjust and plan. Add to that we've got a whole new LBing squad that we were hoping would turn our D around. It was looking good till they ALL went down with injuries. The good news is that we'll get most of them back by the 2nd or 2rd regular season game. The bad news is they will have missed a lot of valuable time that they desperately needed to learn the the new DC's defense and to get used to their new team mates.

Thank God for Drew Brees and the offense! If we can go 4-4 in the first half of the season somebody in this organization is a genius. If we make it to playoffs and Brees doesn't finally get his MVP there's something seriously wrong.

It's amazing how this team has dealt with all the challenges that they've been forced to deal with. That's a tribute to Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis. Joe Vitt's value, I think has been pretty under appreciated by most of us, we've heard Payton talk about him but till now we haven't seen it.

Most of us remain optimistic about the upcoming season despite all of these things. I'm in that number. But I just hope that we aren't expecting too much from these guys, especially early on in the season. I still think we can win the division but think we need to be realistic. Winning 10 games will be an amazing accomplishment.

GoofySaint · 08-26-2012, 12:10 PM

Excuse me sir but did you watch the whole game or did you just watch the first half(which included a ridiculous amount of calls by the refs)?

Did you happen to forget the fact that we had 3 times more sacks than the texans did? Or the fact that we had more turnovers? Or the fact that our defense was capable of returning a fumble?

And this isn't some Patriots or packers defense. This is perhaps the 2nd best defense in the league and our defense just outdid them in sacks and turnovers and we're still whining about the defense(and this was WITHOUT Lofton)?

"learn the the new DC's defense and to get used to their new team mates"

Oh that's BS. He's already played 3 preseason games and done training camp so I'm sure he knows who his teammates are. He's only been with them for the LAST 2 MONTHS. I'm sure 3 games is enough to know what type he's in. If it was one game, I'd be worried.

If Curtis Lofton was able to play 25 snaps then it's not even worthy of being called an "injury".

"If we can go 4-4 in the first half of the season somebody in this organization is a genius."

Have you seen our schedule the first 8 games?

Redskins
@panthers
Chiefs
@Packers
Chargers
@Bucs
@Broncos
Eagles

Seeing as we always win at home in the regular season, the only game I have a ? for is the packers game and maybe the broncos but Manning is still a ? to me.

"Most of us remain optimistic about the upcoming season despite all of these things. I'm in that number."

I'm not so sure if you're that optimistic.
Right before you say that, you then say 10 GAMES is an amazing accomplishment even though we just went 13-3 last year and we were the 1# offense last year(and our defense was WAAYYYYYY worse last year).

Utah_Saint · 08-26-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by GoofySaint

Excuse me sir but did you watch the whole game or did you just watch the first half(which included a ridiculous amount of calls by the refs)?

Did you happen to forget the fact that we had 3 times more sacks than the texans did? Or the fact that we had more turnovers? Or the fact that our defense was capable of returning a fumble?

And this isn't some Patriots or packers defense. This is perhaps the 2nd best defense in the league and our defense just outdid them in sacks and turnovers and we're still whining about the defense(and this was WITHOUT Lofton)?

"learn the the new DC's defense and to get used to their new team mates"

Oh that's BS. He's already played 3 preseason games and done training camp so I'm sure he knows who his teammates are. He's only been with them for the LAST 2 MONTHS. I'm sure 3 games is enough to know what type he's in. If it was one game, I'd be worried.

If Curtis Lofton was able to play 25 snaps then it's not even worthy of being called an "injury".

"If we can go 4-4 in the first half of the season somebody in this organization is a genius."

Have you seen our schedule the first 8 games?

Redskins
@panthers
Chiefs
@Packers
Chargers
@Bucs
@Broncos
Eagles

Seeing as we always win at home in the regular season, the only game I have a ? for is the packers game and maybe the broncos but Manning is still a ? to me.

"Most of us remain optimistic about the upcoming season despite all of these things. I'm in that number."

I'm not so sure if you're that optimistic.
Right before you say that, you then say 10 GAMES is an amazing accomplishment even though we just went 13-3 last year and we were the 1# offense last year(and our defense was WAAYYYYYY worse last year).

You completely missed his point. Your arguments prove what he is saying.

The Saints are supposed to fail. Most other teams would fail under the same circumstances. Any team that can go 4 and 4, against two division rivals with the back up and the back up to the back up coach is doing something right as an organization. The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive.

GoofySaint · 08-26-2012, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

You completely missed his point. Your arguments prove what he is saying.

The Saints are supposed to fail. Most other teams would fail under the same circumstances. Any team that can go 4 and 4, against two division rivals with the back up and the back up to the back up coach is doing something right as an organization. The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive.

No you miss the point

I'd agree with you............ if we had already played those first 8 games. But the fact that the team has done unbelievable things ALREADY and WE'RE STILL talking crap like going 10-6 even though we may just be one of the most complete teams in the NFL(next to steelers, texans, and 9ers etc) is the problem here.

The fact that this guy thinks that we'd actually struggle in the division or go 4-4 is what irks me.

I don't understand where people get this idea that we SHOULD fail. I hope people realize that every time they say that Sean Payton not being there will drastically affect the Saints. You're not complementing Payton. You're insulting him. His system is still there. His coaches are identical to his style. They do what he wants from them. They call the plays he'd call. Great coaches do that.

A decade and a half later I still bits and pieces of Bill Parcells system in play with the New York Giants. Even with Coughlin.

Jpp reminds me of LT a little bit.

Who ever said we were going 4-4 or 10-6 AT ALL? I think we could go 13-3 or 14-2 based off the look of the schedule. It's as if this guy has no hope in us.

"The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive."

So if it's so impressive, why are we talking about them only going 10-6 or 4-4 or JUST BARELY winning the division? Have you seen the other elite teams defenses? The packers and patriots defenses haven't changed one bit from last year. Ours has.

What's also annoying is pointing out how great Brees is but then saying he could only carry us to 10-6. Really? Cause Manning has carried the Colts and Brady has carried the Pats to super bowls before and they had no defense. He carried us to 13-3 and we had a much worse defense last year so why should it shrink to 10-6. It's not "genius". It's Saints football.

Utah_Saint · 08-26-2012, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by GoofySaint

No you miss the point

I'd agree with you............ if we had already played those first 8 games. But the fact that the team has done unbelievable things ALREADY and WE'RE STILL talking crap like going 10-6 even though we may just be one of the most complete teams in the NFL(next to steelers, texans, and 9ers etc) is the problem here.

The fact that this guy thinks that we'd actually struggle in the division or go 4-4 is what irks me.

I don't understand where people get this idea that we SHOULD fail. I hope people realize that every time they say that Sean Payton not being there will drastically affect the Saints. You're not complementing Payton. You're insulting him. His system is still there. His coaches are identical to his style. They do what he wants from them. They call the plays he'd call. Great coaches do that.

A decade and a half later I still bits and pieces of Bill Parcells system in play with the New York Giants. Even with Coughlin.

Jpp reminds me of LT a little bit.

Who ever said we were going 4-4 or 10-6 AT ALL? I think we could go 13-3 or 14-2 based off the look of the schedule. It's as if this guy has no hope in us.

"The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive."

So if it's so impressive, why are we talking about them only going 10-6 or 4-4 or JUST BARELY winning the division? Have you seen the other elite teams defenses? The packers and patriots defenses haven't changed one bit from last year. Ours has.

What's also annoying is pointing out how great Brees is but then saying he could only carry us to 10-6. Really? Cause Manning has carried the Colts and Brady has carried the Pats to super bowls before and they had no defense. He carried us to 13-3 and we had a much worse defense last year so why should it shrink to 10-6. It's not "genius". It's Saints football.

If you're irked and annoyed by other Saints fans opinions, why would you come to a place where the point is to exchange opinions?

GoofySaint · 08-26-2012, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

If you're irked and annoyed by other Saints fans opinions, why would you come to a place where the point is to exchange opinions?

Cause when you come to a Saints forum and people have been talking nothing but hate and critisicm about team that they supposedly love, it gets annoying.

We're just gonna pretend the pats and cards game never happened?

Or the texans game? No we'll just look at the jags game(which actually wasn't that bad).

When people who HATE the Saints think you're going to do well and you STILL think you're struggling. There's a problem here.

I'd say some of the people here sound like falcons fans but I hear falcons fans admitting we're going to do well. Which makes it worse.

The Dude · 08-26-2012, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by GoofySaint

No you miss the point

I'd agree with you............ if we had already played those first 8 games. But the fact that the team has done unbelievable things ALREADY and WE'RE STILL talking crap like going 10-6 even though we may just be one of the most complete teams in the NFL(next to steelers, texans, and 9ers etc) is the problem here.

The fact that this guy thinks that we'd actually struggle in the division or go 4-4 is what irks me.

I don't understand where people get this idea that we SHOULD fail. I hope people realize that every time they say that Sean Payton not being there will drastically affect the Saints. You're not complementing Payton. You're insulting him. His system is still there. His coaches are identical to his style. They do what he wants from them. They call the plays he'd call. Great coaches do that.

A decade and a half later I still bits and pieces of Bill Parcells system in play with the New York Giants. Even with Coughlin.

Jpp reminds me of LT a little bit.

Who ever said we were going 4-4 or 10-6 AT ALL? I think we could go 13-3 or 14-2 based off the look of the schedule. It's as if this guy has no hope in us.

"The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive."

So if it's so impressive, why are we talking about them only going 10-6 or 4-4 or JUST BARELY winning the division? Have you seen the other elite teams defenses? The packers and patriots defenses haven't changed one bit from last year. Ours has.

What's also annoying is pointing out how great Brees is but then saying he could only carry us to 10-6. Really? Cause Manning has carried the Colts and Brady has carried the Pats to super bowls before and they had no defense. He carried us to 13-3 and we had a much worse defense last year so why should it shrink to 10-6. It's not "genius". It's Saints football.

We had Brees and 07 and 08 too. Without a head coach its going to take even more of a team effort. Saying Brees could carry us to 13-3 all by himself is asking an awful lot of him. Going 13-3 would be one of the most amazing stories in the history of the game is we could overcome that much adversity.

Rugby Saint II · 08-28-2012, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by GoofySaint

No you miss the point

I'd agree with you............ if we had already played those first 8 games. But the fact that the team has done unbelievable things ALREADY and WE'RE STILL talking crap like going 10-6 even though we may just be one of the most complete teams in the NFL(next to steelers, texans, and 9ers etc) is the problem here.

The fact that this guy thinks that we'd actually struggle in the division or go 4-4 is what irks me.

I don't understand where people get this idea that we SHOULD fail. I hope people realize that every time they say that Sean Payton not being there will drastically affect the Saints. You're not complementing Payton. You're insulting him. His system is still there. His coaches are identical to his style. They do what he wants from them. They call the plays he'd call. Great coaches do that.

A decade and a half later I still bits and pieces of Bill Parcells system in play with the New York Giants. Even with Coughlin.

Jpp reminds me of LT a little bit.

Who ever said we were going 4-4 or 10-6 AT ALL? I think we could go 13-3 or 14-2 based off the look of the schedule. It's as if this guy has no hope in us.

"The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive."

So if it's so impressive, why are we talking about them only going 10-6 or 4-4 or JUST BARELY winning the division? Have you seen the other elite teams defenses? The packers and patriots defenses haven't changed one bit from last year. Ours has.

What's also annoying is pointing out how great Brees is but then saying he could only carry us to 10-6. Really? Cause Manning has carried the Colts and Brady has carried the Pats to super bowls before and they had no defense. He carried us to 13-3 and we had a much worse defense last year so why should it shrink to 10-6. It's not "genius". It's Saints football.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We all have varying degrees of comfort for the team this year.
Arguing about it and calling people out isn't the way to get your point across.
You are a new member here and I have a feeling you were banned from another forum the way you just showed up here and started name calling.

I'm going out on a limb here but I don't see us being friends.

FinSaint · 08-28-2012, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I'm going out on a limb here but I don't see us being friends.

Say it ain't so...

GoofySaint · 08-28-2012, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We all have varying degrees of comfort for the team this year.
Arguing about it and calling people out isn't the way to get your point across.
You are a new member here and I have a feeling you were banned from another forum the way you just showed up here and started name calling.

I'm going out on a limb here but I don't see us being friends.

WOW! Tell ME WHERE exactly I called out ANYBODY or their opinion in this thread or NAMEDCALLED ANYBODY HERE? Everybody here keeps saying I was namecalling but they have yet to tell me where and when I did such a thing.

You do realize this is a forum right? We're kind of supposed to argue so stop it.

And no I wasn't BANNED from another forum. Sorry to disappoint your attempt at trying to be some showoff superman(and you call me the callout).

And before you take offense to this comment, just remember, YOU CALLED ME OUT.

08-26-2012, 11:13 AM	#1
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	It could be worse but... We've lost our HC, interem HC, defensive captain GM and have a new DC. That's bad but we've had time to adjust and plan. Add to that we've got a whole new LBing squad that we were hoping would turn our D around. It was looking good till they ALL went down with injuries. The good news is that we'll get most of them back by the 2nd or 2rd regular season game. The bad news is they will have missed a lot of valuable time that they desperately needed to learn the the new DC's defense and to get used to their new team mates. Thank God for Drew Brees and the offense! If we can go 4-4 in the first half of the season somebody in this organization is a genius. If we make it to playoffs and Brees doesn't finally get his MVP there's something seriously wrong. It's amazing how this team has dealt with all the challenges that they've been forced to deal with. That's a tribute to Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis. Joe Vitt's value, I think has been pretty under appreciated by most of us, we've heard Payton talk about him but till now we haven't seen it. Most of us remain optimistic about the upcoming season despite all of these things. I'm in that number. But I just hope that we aren't expecting too much from these guys, especially early on in the season. I still think we can win the division but think we need to be realistic. Winning 10 games will be an amazing accomplishment. foreverfan likes this.

08-26-2012, 12:10 PM	#2
GoofySaint 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Philipsburg, PA Posts: 161	Re: It could be worse but... Excuse me sir but did you watch the whole game or did you just watch the first half(which included a ridiculous amount of calls by the refs)? Did you happen to forget the fact that we had 3 times more sacks than the texans did? Or the fact that we had more turnovers? Or the fact that our defense was capable of returning a fumble? And this isn't some Patriots or packers defense. This is perhaps the 2nd best defense in the league and our defense just outdid them in sacks and turnovers and we're still whining about the defense(and this was WITHOUT Lofton)? "learn the the new DC's defense and to get used to their new team mates" Oh that's BS. He's already played 3 preseason games and done training camp so I'm sure he knows who his teammates are. He's only been with them for the LAST 2 MONTHS. I'm sure 3 games is enough to know what type he's in. If it was one game, I'd be worried. If Curtis Lofton was able to play 25 snaps then it's not even worthy of being called an "injury". "If we can go 4-4 in the first half of the season somebody in this organization is a genius." Have you seen our schedule the first 8 games? Redskins @panthers Chiefs @Packers Chargers @Bucs @Broncos Eagles Seeing as we always win at home in the regular season, the only game I have a ? for is the packers game and maybe the broncos but Manning is still a ? to me. "Most of us remain optimistic about the upcoming season despite all of these things. I'm in that number." I'm not so sure if you're that optimistic. Right before you say that, you then say 10 GAMES is an amazing accomplishment even though we just went 13-3 last year and we were the 1# offense last year(and our defense was WAAYYYYYY worse last year). papz, Turbo Saint, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this.

08-26-2012, 01:10 PM	#3
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by GoofySaint Excuse me sir but did you watch the whole game or did you just watch the first half(which included a ridiculous amount of calls by the refs)? Did you happen to forget the fact that we had 3 times more sacks than the texans did? Or the fact that we had more turnovers? Or the fact that our defense was capable of returning a fumble? And this isn't some Patriots or packers defense. This is perhaps the 2nd best defense in the league and our defense just outdid them in sacks and turnovers and we're still whining about the defense(and this was WITHOUT Lofton)? "learn the the new DC's defense and to get used to their new team mates" Oh that's BS. He's already played 3 preseason games and done training camp so I'm sure he knows who his teammates are. He's only been with them for the LAST 2 MONTHS. I'm sure 3 games is enough to know what type he's in. If it was one game, I'd be worried. If Curtis Lofton was able to play 25 snaps then it's not even worthy of being called an "injury". "If we can go 4-4 in the first half of the season somebody in this organization is a genius." Have you seen our schedule the first 8 games? Redskins @panthers Chiefs @Packers Chargers @Bucs @Broncos Eagles Seeing as we always win at home in the regular season, the only game I have a ? for is the packers game and maybe the broncos but Manning is still a ? to me. "Most of us remain optimistic about the upcoming season despite all of these things. I'm in that number." I'm not so sure if you're that optimistic. Right before you say that, you then say 10 GAMES is an amazing accomplishment even though we just went 13-3 last year and we were the 1# offense last year(and our defense was WAAYYYYYY worse last year). You completely missed his point. Your arguments prove what he is saying. The Saints are supposed to fail. Most other teams would fail under the same circumstances. Any team that can go 4 and 4, against two division rivals with the back up and the back up to the back up coach is doing something right as an organization. The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive. Boutte likes this.

08-26-2012, 03:59 PM	#4
GoofySaint 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Philipsburg, PA Posts: 161	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by Utah_Saint You completely missed his point. Your arguments prove what he is saying. The Saints are supposed to fail. Most other teams would fail under the same circumstances. Any team that can go 4 and 4, against two division rivals with the back up and the back up to the back up coach is doing something right as an organization. The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive. No you miss the point I'd agree with you............ if we had already played those first 8 games. But the fact that the team has done unbelievable things ALREADY and WE'RE STILL talking crap like going 10-6 even though we may just be one of the most complete teams in the NFL(next to steelers, texans, and 9ers etc) is the problem here. The fact that this guy thinks that we'd actually struggle in the division or go 4-4 is what irks me. I don't understand where people get this idea that we SHOULD fail. I hope people realize that every time they say that Sean Payton not being there will drastically affect the Saints. You're not complementing Payton. You're insulting him. His system is still there. His coaches are identical to his style. They do what he wants from them. They call the plays he'd call. Great coaches do that. A decade and a half later I still bits and pieces of Bill Parcells system in play with the New York Giants. Even with Coughlin. Jpp reminds me of LT a little bit. Who ever said we were going 4-4 or 10-6 AT ALL? I think we could go 13-3 or 14-2 based off the look of the schedule. It's as if this guy has no hope in us. "The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive." So if it's so impressive, why are we talking about them only going 10-6 or 4-4 or JUST BARELY winning the division? Have you seen the other elite teams defenses? The packers and patriots defenses haven't changed one bit from last year. Ours has. What's also annoying is pointing out how great Brees is but then saying he could only carry us to 10-6. Really? Cause Manning has carried the Colts and Brady has carried the Pats to super bowls before and they had no defense. He carried us to 13-3 and we had a much worse defense last year so why should it shrink to 10-6. It's not "genius". It's Saints football.

08-26-2012, 06:12 PM	#5
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by GoofySaint No you miss the point I'd agree with you............ if we had already played those first 8 games. But the fact that the team has done unbelievable things ALREADY and WE'RE STILL talking crap like going 10-6 even though we may just be one of the most complete teams in the NFL(next to steelers, texans, and 9ers etc) is the problem here. The fact that this guy thinks that we'd actually struggle in the division or go 4-4 is what irks me. I don't understand where people get this idea that we SHOULD fail. I hope people realize that every time they say that Sean Payton not being there will drastically affect the Saints. You're not complementing Payton. You're insulting him. His system is still there. His coaches are identical to his style. They do what he wants from them. They call the plays he'd call. Great coaches do that. A decade and a half later I still bits and pieces of Bill Parcells system in play with the New York Giants. Even with Coughlin. Jpp reminds me of LT a little bit. Who ever said we were going 4-4 or 10-6 AT ALL? I think we could go 13-3 or 14-2 based off the look of the schedule. It's as if this guy has no hope in us. "The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive." So if it's so impressive, why are we talking about them only going 10-6 or 4-4 or JUST BARELY winning the division? Have you seen the other elite teams defenses? The packers and patriots defenses haven't changed one bit from last year. Ours has. What's also annoying is pointing out how great Brees is but then saying he could only carry us to 10-6. Really? Cause Manning has carried the Colts and Brady has carried the Pats to super bowls before and they had no defense. He carried us to 13-3 and we had a much worse defense last year so why should it shrink to 10-6. It's not "genius". It's Saints football. If you're irked and annoyed by other Saints fans opinions, why would you come to a place where the point is to exchange opinions? Rugby Saint II, \|Mitch\| and The Dude like this.

08-26-2012, 10:15 PM	#6
GoofySaint 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Philipsburg, PA Posts: 161	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by Utah_Saint If you're irked and annoyed by other Saints fans opinions, why would you come to a place where the point is to exchange opinions? Cause when you come to a Saints forum and people have been talking nothing but hate and critisicm about team that they supposedly love, it gets annoying. We're just gonna pretend the pats and cards game never happened? Or the texans game? No we'll just look at the jags game(which actually wasn't that bad). When people who HATE the Saints think you're going to do well and you STILL think you're struggling. There's a problem here. I'd say some of the people here sound like falcons fans but I hear falcons fans admitting we're going to do well. Which makes it worse.

08-26-2012, 10:26 PM	#7
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by GoofySaint No you miss the point I'd agree with you............ if we had already played those first 8 games. But the fact that the team has done unbelievable things ALREADY and WE'RE STILL talking crap like going 10-6 even though we may just be one of the most complete teams in the NFL(next to steelers, texans, and 9ers etc) is the problem here. The fact that this guy thinks that we'd actually struggle in the division or go 4-4 is what irks me. I don't understand where people get this idea that we SHOULD fail. I hope people realize that every time they say that Sean Payton not being there will drastically affect the Saints. You're not complementing Payton. You're insulting him. His system is still there. His coaches are identical to his style. They do what he wants from them. They call the plays he'd call. Great coaches do that. A decade and a half later I still bits and pieces of Bill Parcells system in play with the New York Giants. Even with Coughlin. Jpp reminds me of LT a little bit. Who ever said we were going 4-4 or 10-6 AT ALL? I think we could go 13-3 or 14-2 based off the look of the schedule. It's as if this guy has no hope in us. "The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive." So if it's so impressive, why are we talking about them only going 10-6 or 4-4 or JUST BARELY winning the division? Have you seen the other elite teams defenses? The packers and patriots defenses haven't changed one bit from last year. Ours has. What's also annoying is pointing out how great Brees is but then saying he could only carry us to 10-6. Really? Cause Manning has carried the Colts and Brady has carried the Pats to super bowls before and they had no defense. He carried us to 13-3 and we had a much worse defense last year so why should it shrink to 10-6. It's not "genius". It's Saints football. We had Brees and 07 and 08 too. Without a head coach its going to take even more of a team effort. Saying Brees could carry us to 13-3 all by himself is asking an awful lot of him. Going 13-3 would be one of the most amazing stories in the history of the game is we could overcome that much adversity. Boutte, \|Mitch\| and Utah_Saint like this.
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08-28-2012, 01:35 PM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by GoofySaint No you miss the point I'd agree with you............ if we had already played those first 8 games. But the fact that the team has done unbelievable things ALREADY and WE'RE STILL talking crap like going 10-6 even though we may just be one of the most complete teams in the NFL(next to steelers, texans, and 9ers etc) is the problem here. The fact that this guy thinks that we'd actually struggle in the division or go 4-4 is what irks me. I don't understand where people get this idea that we SHOULD fail. I hope people realize that every time they say that Sean Payton not being there will drastically affect the Saints. You're not complementing Payton. You're insulting him. His system is still there. His coaches are identical to his style. They do what he wants from them. They call the plays he'd call. Great coaches do that. A decade and a half later I still bits and pieces of Bill Parcells system in play with the New York Giants. Even with Coughlin. Jpp reminds me of LT a little bit. Who ever said we were going 4-4 or 10-6 AT ALL? I think we could go 13-3 or 14-2 based off the look of the schedule. It's as if this guy has no hope in us. "The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive." So if it's so impressive, why are we talking about them only going 10-6 or 4-4 or JUST BARELY winning the division? Have you seen the other elite teams defenses? The packers and patriots defenses haven't changed one bit from last year. Ours has. What's also annoying is pointing out how great Brees is but then saying he could only carry us to 10-6. Really? Cause Manning has carried the Colts and Brady has carried the Pats to super bowls before and they had no defense. He carried us to 13-3 and we had a much worse defense last year so why should it shrink to 10-6. It's not "genius". It's Saints football. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We all have varying degrees of comfort for the team this year. Arguing about it and calling people out isn't the way to get your point across. You are a new member here and I have a feeling you were banned from another forum the way you just showed up here and started name calling. I'm going out on a limb here but I don't see us being friends. AlaskaSaints likes this.

08-28-2012, 01:46 PM	#9
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I'm going out on a limb here but I don't see us being friends. Say it ain't so... Crusader and AlaskaSaints like this.

08-28-2012, 07:42 PM	#10
GoofySaint 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Philipsburg, PA Posts: 161	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We all have varying degrees of comfort for the team this year. Arguing about it and calling people out isn't the way to get your point across. You are a new member here and I have a feeling you were banned from another forum the way you just showed up here and started name calling. I'm going out on a limb here but I don't see us being friends. WOW! Tell ME WHERE exactly I called out ANYBODY or their opinion in this thread or NAMEDCALLED ANYBODY HERE? Everybody here keeps saying I was namecalling but they have yet to tell me where and when I did such a thing. You do realize this is a forum right? We're kind of supposed to argue so stop it. And no I wasn't BANNED from another forum. Sorry to disappoint your attempt at trying to be some showoff superman(and you call me the callout). And before you take offense to this comment, just remember, YOU CALLED ME OUT.

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