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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; We've lost our HC, interem HC, defensive captain GM and have a new DC. That's bad but we've had time to adjust and plan. Add to that we've got a whole new LBing squad that we were hoping would turn ...

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Old 08-26-2012, 11:13 AM   #1
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It could be worse but...

We've lost our HC, interem HC, defensive captain GM and have a new DC. That's bad but we've had time to adjust and plan. Add to that we've got a whole new LBing squad that we were hoping would turn our D around. It was looking good till they ALL went down with injuries. The good news is that we'll get most of them back by the 2nd or 2rd regular season game. The bad news is they will have missed a lot of valuable time that they desperately needed to learn the the new DC's defense and to get used to their new team mates.

Thank God for Drew Brees and the offense! If we can go 4-4 in the first half of the season somebody in this organization is a genius. If we make it to playoffs and Brees doesn't finally get his MVP there's something seriously wrong.

It's amazing how this team has dealt with all the challenges that they've been forced to deal with. That's a tribute to Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis. Joe Vitt's value, I think has been pretty under appreciated by most of us, we've heard Payton talk about him but till now we haven't seen it.

Most of us remain optimistic about the upcoming season despite all of these things. I'm in that number. But I just hope that we aren't expecting too much from these guys, especially early on in the season. I still think we can win the division but think we need to be realistic. Winning 10 games will be an amazing accomplishment.
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:10 PM   #2
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Excuse me sir but did you watch the whole game or did you just watch the first half(which included a ridiculous amount of calls by the refs)?

Did you happen to forget the fact that we had 3 times more sacks than the texans did? Or the fact that we had more turnovers? Or the fact that our defense was capable of returning a fumble?

And this isn't some Patriots or packers defense. This is perhaps the 2nd best defense in the league and our defense just outdid them in sacks and turnovers and we're still whining about the defense(and this was WITHOUT Lofton)?

"learn the the new DC's defense and to get used to their new team mates"

Oh that's BS. He's already played 3 preseason games and done training camp so I'm sure he knows who his teammates are. He's only been with them for the LAST 2 MONTHS. I'm sure 3 games is enough to know what type he's in. If it was one game, I'd be worried.

If Curtis Lofton was able to play 25 snaps then it's not even worthy of being called an "injury".


"If we can go 4-4 in the first half of the season somebody in this organization is a genius."

Have you seen our schedule the first 8 games?

Redskins
@panthers
Chiefs
@Packers
Chargers
@Bucs
@Broncos
Eagles

Seeing as we always win at home in the regular season, the only game I have a ? for is the packers game and maybe the broncos but Manning is still a ? to me.


"Most of us remain optimistic about the upcoming season despite all of these things. I'm in that number."

I'm not so sure if you're that optimistic.
Right before you say that, you then say 10 GAMES is an amazing accomplishment even though we just went 13-3 last year and we were the 1# offense last year(and our defense was WAAYYYYYY worse last year).
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I'm feelin good about our defensive backfield. Andre Johnson was forced to make some great catches and i thought overall we covered pretty well. There were a few mistakes obviously but that's why we have preseason. Cameron Jordan, akiem Hicks, Malcolm jenkins, Johnny Patrick impressed me the most last night. I thought they played their @$$es off. Can't wait for the reg season. 14 days!!
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Oh and JUN-YAH!! He played well too
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Excuse me sir but did you watch the whole game or did you just watch the first half(which included a ridiculous amount of calls by the refs)?

Did you happen to forget the fact that we had 3 times more sacks than the texans did? Or the fact that we had more turnovers? Or the fact that our defense was capable of returning a fumble?

And this isn't some Patriots or packers defense. This is perhaps the 2nd best defense in the league and our defense just outdid them in sacks and turnovers and we're still whining about the defense(and this was WITHOUT Lofton)?

"learn the the new DC's defense and to get used to their new team mates"

Oh that's BS. He's already played 3 preseason games and done training camp so I'm sure he knows who his teammates are. He's only been with them for the LAST 2 MONTHS. I'm sure 3 games is enough to know what type he's in. If it was one game, I'd be worried.

If Curtis Lofton was able to play 25 snaps then it's not even worthy of being called an "injury".


"If we can go 4-4 in the first half of the season somebody in this organization is a genius."

Have you seen our schedule the first 8 games?

Redskins
@panthers
Chiefs
@Packers
Chargers
@Bucs
@Broncos
Eagles

Seeing as we always win at home in the regular season, the only game I have a ? for is the packers game and maybe the broncos but Manning is still a ? to me.


"Most of us remain optimistic about the upcoming season despite all of these things. I'm in that number."

I'm not so sure if you're that optimistic.
Right before you say that, you then say 10 GAMES is an amazing accomplishment even though we just went 13-3 last year and we were the 1# offense last year(and our defense was WAAYYYYYY worse last year).
You completely missed his point. Your arguments prove what he is saying.

The Saints are supposed to fail. Most other teams would fail under the same circumstances. Any team that can go 4 and 4, against two division rivals with the back up and the back up to the back up coach is doing something right as an organization. The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive.
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Old 08-26-2012, 01:25 PM   #6
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I think we end up at 6-2 after the first 8 games. Losses to Carolina at Carolina and Green Bay at Green Bay. I only give us the edge against Philly because we're at home and Vick is gonna get hurt before then. If we can go 4-4 the rest of the way which we will the playoffs should be in our future at least as a wild card. Once you get there it's a whole new season and we can beat anyone.
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I do not see us dropping a Carolina game...
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You completely missed his point. Your arguments prove what he is saying.

The Saints are supposed to fail. Most other teams would fail under the same circumstances. Any team that can go 4 and 4, against two division rivals with the back up and the back up to the back up coach is doing something right as an organization. The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive.
No you miss the point

I'd agree with you............ if we had already played those first 8 games. But the fact that the team has done unbelievable things ALREADY and WE'RE STILL talking crap like going 10-6 even though we may just be one of the most complete teams in the NFL(next to steelers, texans, and 9ers etc) is the problem here.

The fact that this guy thinks that we'd actually struggle in the division or go 4-4 is what irks me.

I don't understand where people get this idea that we SHOULD fail. I hope people realize that every time they say that Sean Payton not being there will drastically affect the Saints. You're not complementing Payton. You're insulting him. His system is still there. His coaches are identical to his style. They do what he wants from them. They call the plays he'd call. Great coaches do that.

A decade and a half later I still bits and pieces of Bill Parcells system in play with the New York Giants. Even with Coughlin.

Jpp reminds me of LT a little bit.

Who ever said we were going 4-4 or 10-6 AT ALL? I think we could go 13-3 or 14-2 based off the look of the schedule. It's as if this guy has no hope in us.


"The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive."

So if it's so impressive, why are we talking about them only going 10-6 or 4-4 or JUST BARELY winning the division? Have you seen the other elite teams defenses? The packers and patriots defenses haven't changed one bit from last year. Ours has.

What's also annoying is pointing out how great Brees is but then saying he could only carry us to 10-6. Really? Cause Manning has carried the Colts and Brady has carried the Pats to super bowls before and they had no defense. He carried us to 13-3 and we had a much worse defense last year so why should it shrink to 10-6. It's not "genius". It's Saints football.
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you also have to give the D some time to develop and implement everything that needs to...

You don't build a unit over night. You don't get all the pieces you want in one season.
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Hey guys... Um... We're on the same team right? Calm down.
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