It could be worse but...

TheOak · 08-27-2012, 11:28 AM

My gut from all the statements and commentary I have seen is that the team has put the issues behind them.

Living with the outcome with out letting it effect their play. An "it is what it is, we are moving on with business " approach.

darstep · 08-27-2012, 02:26 PM

All here could be right.
Injuries in key positions and all these predictions go out the window.
We will all be pulling for the 6-2 Saints just like for a 4-4 Saints team at the half.
Everything has to fall in place (outside forces) and every player has to
(forgive me) "do their job" and play in the moment, every week.
I'm hoping for a 12+ win season, but if things unravel a bit, I won't be surprised.
It's a difficult proposition even when things a stable from the top down.
The locker room could get ugly without a stern hand to squash destructive attitudes.
This season will be measured by how we respond to the set backs.

Tobias-Reiper · 08-27-2012, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by GoofySaint

Cause when you come to a Saints forum and people have been talking nothing but hate and critisicm about team that they supposedly love, it gets annoying.

I'd say some of the people here sound like falcons fans

HA HA!
If this was my "home-forum", I may take offense in that... no, not really...

D_it_up · 08-27-2012, 07:29 PM

I predict we win the mammy-frackin' Super Bowl. Yeah, I said it.

GoofySaint · 08-28-2012, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

The Pats didn't lose their HC for a whole season, their Interim for 6 games, their GM for 8 games either...

We are in uncharted territory, no team has ever been punished this harshly... A 10-6 season would be more than respectable, we do have a pretty tough schedule...

And as for the "meh" division comment, division games are always the toughest... Doesn't seem to matter how bad the other division teams are, they're always close games and could go either way...

The pats still sure as heck weren't expected to go 18-1. A system with the way that way payton built it and with how the saints have prepared themselves will allow his loss to mean nothing(though it'll be good when we get him back cause this can probably last for only one season). The fluidity of interim coach to interim coach due to how well the system is done will allow us to compete normally.

That depends on the game

Some of our best blowouts were against divisional teams?

panthers 45-17

falcons 45-16

bucs 27-16

Yes we lost to tampa bay but that was because payton got hurt halfway through and nobody was prepared for it. We've had 5 months to prepare ourselves now.

The point is, when you go to up to a neutral football fan and ask them "hey whose gonna win the NFC south"? What do you think their first choice will be? Cause it sure isn't gonna be the freaking panthers.

GoofySaint · 08-28-2012, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

You're not going to like me at all! LOL

Here's some pessimism for you:

Drew will throw 3 INT's in a loss this year.

We will get blown out by an inferior team at least once.

Hartley will be blamed for losing a game IF he's our kicker.

We'll lose at least one running back in regular season play.

We'll lose at least one receiver in regular season play.

... one starting corner.

... one starting safety.

... one lineman. At least one.

We'll see way too much of Shanle.

We'll blame a loss on a fumble by one of our stallions, and someone will fumble on a kickoff return.

Basically, anything other than taking things week-to-week will be nothing more than unbridled HOPE. This is the NFL. We beat the Giants last year and they won the Super Bowl.

Historically WE are the team who cannot win on the road OUTSIDE. We need to overcome that before we can predict anything.

SO MUCH TO LOOK FORWARD TO !!!

But I'm more of a Marine than a douchebag.

Now, a question for you; You got a Facebook friend named CANTON ?

Cheers and welcome,

Alaska

Don't see how I'm supposed to look forward to something that you just made up.

Brees less long shots as he is now and upgrading the running game makes it hard for me to believe the INT comment.

GoofySaint · 08-28-2012, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Boutte

Good post x626. Just to be clear, I did not predict 10-6. My exact words were,"Winning 10 games will be an amazing accomplishment." I stand by that. I did predict we'd win the division. Does anyone think 10-6 will win it?

Goofysaint, I agree with most of what you say but your hostile tone and calling people douchebags for having a different opinion is uncalled for. It seems immature.

1. You think the packers are gonna go 10-6? Or the 9ers? Or the Pats? The packers have a way more tough division than us but nobody is wondering to the possibility that the packers may just go 10-6? The packers haven't upgraded their defense one bit.

2. I never called anybody here a douchebag. I was implying that people who consider themselves saints fans have never ever once said what they liked about the saints or said how good they looked. I was not referring to you or anyone in here.

3. What you call a "hostile tone" is simply somebody disagreeing with you. I apologize if you find that aggressive. It's just frustrating when you see all this progress and evolution of our team and then someone sums that up in "10-6" or "just barely winning the division" yet we have the same caliber to be like the 9ers, packers, pats etc.

4. Please stop righting me off to be the bad guy here.

GoofySaint · 08-28-2012, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I think you are dead on! I was taken aback by Boutte's opening post, too. I see this team as a 12-14 win team WITH everything that has happened.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

WHO DAT!

Rugby Saint II · 08-28-2012, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by GoofySaint

No you miss the point

I'd agree with you............ if we had already played those first 8 games. But the fact that the team has done unbelievable things ALREADY and WE'RE STILL talking crap like going 10-6 even though we may just be one of the most complete teams in the NFL(next to steelers, texans, and 9ers etc) is the problem here.

The fact that this guy thinks that we'd actually struggle in the division or go 4-4 is what irks me.

I don't understand where people get this idea that we SHOULD fail. I hope people realize that every time they say that Sean Payton not being there will drastically affect the Saints. You're not complementing Payton. You're insulting him. His system is still there. His coaches are identical to his style. They do what he wants from them. They call the plays he'd call. Great coaches do that.

A decade and a half later I still bits and pieces of Bill Parcells system in play with the New York Giants. Even with Coughlin.

Jpp reminds me of LT a little bit.

Who ever said we were going 4-4 or 10-6 AT ALL? I think we could go 13-3 or 14-2 based off the look of the schedule. It's as if this guy has no hope in us.

"The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive."

So if it's so impressive, why are we talking about them only going 10-6 or 4-4 or JUST BARELY winning the division? Have you seen the other elite teams defenses? The packers and patriots defenses haven't changed one bit from last year. Ours has.

What's also annoying is pointing out how great Brees is but then saying he could only carry us to 10-6. Really? Cause Manning has carried the Colts and Brady has carried the Pats to super bowls before and they had no defense. He carried us to 13-3 and we had a much worse defense last year so why should it shrink to 10-6. It's not "genius". It's Saints football.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We all have varying degrees of comfort for the team this year.
Arguing about it and calling people out isn't the way to get your point across.
You are a new member here and I have a feeling you were banned from another forum the way you just showed up here and started name calling.

I'm going out on a limb here but I don't see us being friends.

FinSaint · 08-28-2012, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I'm going out on a limb here but I don't see us being friends.

Say it ain't so...

08-27-2012, 11:28 AM	#31
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: It could be worse but... My gut from all the statements and commentary I have seen is that the team has put the issues behind them. Living with the outcome with out letting it effect their play. An "it is what it is, we are moving on with business " approach.

08-27-2012, 02:26 PM	#32
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: It could be worse but... All here could be right. Injuries in key positions and all these predictions go out the window. We will all be pulling for the 6-2 Saints just like for a 4-4 Saints team at the half. Everything has to fall in place (outside forces) and every player has to (forgive me) "do their job" and play in the moment, every week. I'm hoping for a 12+ win season, but if things unravel a bit, I won't be surprised. It's a difficult proposition even when things a stable from the top down. The locker room could get ugly without a stern hand to squash destructive attitudes. This season will be measured by how we respond to the set backs.
	SaintSince67

08-27-2012, 02:43 PM	#33
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by GoofySaint Cause when you come to a Saints forum and people have been talking nothing but hate and critisicm about team that they supposedly love, it gets annoying. I'd say some of the people here sound like falcons fans HA HA! If this was my "home-forum", I may take offense in that... no, not really...

08-27-2012, 07:29 PM	#34
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: It could be worse but... I predict we win the mammy-frackin' Super Bowl. Yeah, I said it. Boutte likes this.

08-28-2012, 09:10 AM	#35
GoofySaint 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Philipsburg, PA Posts: 161	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| The Pats didn't lose their HC for a whole season, their Interim for 6 games, their GM for 8 games either... We are in uncharted territory, no team has ever been punished this harshly... A 10-6 season would be more than respectable, we do have a pretty tough schedule... And as for the "meh" division comment, division games are always the toughest... Doesn't seem to matter how bad the other division teams are, they're always close games and could go either way... The pats still sure as heck weren't expected to go 18-1. A system with the way that way payton built it and with how the saints have prepared themselves will allow his loss to mean nothing(though it'll be good when we get him back cause this can probably last for only one season). The fluidity of interim coach to interim coach due to how well the system is done will allow us to compete normally. That depends on the game Some of our best blowouts were against divisional teams? panthers 45-17 falcons 45-16 bucs 27-16 Yes we lost to tampa bay but that was because payton got hurt halfway through and nobody was prepared for it. We've had 5 months to prepare ourselves now. The point is, when you go to up to a neutral football fan and ask them "hey whose gonna win the NFC south"? What do you think their first choice will be? Cause it sure isn't gonna be the freaking panthers.

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08-28-2012, 09:14 AM	#36
GoofySaint 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Philipsburg, PA Posts: 161	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints You're not going to like me at all! LOL Here's some pessimism for you: Drew will throw 3 INT's in a loss this year. We will get blown out by an inferior team at least once. Hartley will be blamed for losing a game IF he's our kicker. We'll lose at least one running back in regular season play. We'll lose at least one receiver in regular season play. ... one starting corner. ... one starting safety. ... one lineman. At least one. We'll see way too much of Shanle. We'll blame a loss on a fumble by one of our stallions, and someone will fumble on a kickoff return. Basically, anything other than taking things week-to-week will be nothing more than unbridled HOPE. This is the NFL. We beat the Giants last year and they won the Super Bowl. Historically WE are the team who cannot win on the road OUTSIDE. We need to overcome that before we can predict anything. SO MUCH TO LOOK FORWARD TO !!! But I'm more of a Marine than a douchebag. Now, a question for you; You got a Facebook friend named CANTON ? Cheers and welcome, Alaska Don't see how I'm supposed to look forward to something that you just made up. Brees less long shots as he is now and upgrading the running game makes it hard for me to believe the INT comment.

08-28-2012, 09:24 AM	#37
GoofySaint 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Philipsburg, PA Posts: 161	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by Boutte Good post x626. Just to be clear, I did not predict 10-6. My exact words were,"Winning 10 games will be an amazing accomplishment." I stand by that. I did predict we'd win the division. Does anyone think 10-6 will win it? Goofysaint, I agree with most of what you say but your hostile tone and calling people douchebags for having a different opinion is uncalled for. It seems immature. 1. You think the packers are gonna go 10-6? Or the 9ers? Or the Pats? The packers have a way more tough division than us but nobody is wondering to the possibility that the packers may just go 10-6? The packers haven't upgraded their defense one bit. 2. I never called anybody here a douchebag. I was implying that people who consider themselves saints fans have never ever once said what they liked about the saints or said how good they looked. I was not referring to you or anyone in here. 3. What you call a "hostile tone" is simply somebody disagreeing with you. I apologize if you find that aggressive. It's just frustrating when you see all this progress and evolution of our team and then someone sums that up in "10-6" or "just barely winning the division" yet we have the same caliber to be like the 9ers, packers, pats etc. 4. Please stop righting me off to be the bad guy here.

08-28-2012, 09:28 AM	#38
GoofySaint 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Philipsburg, PA Posts: 161	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I think you are dead on! I was taken aback by Boutte's opening post, too. I see this team as a 12-14 win team WITH everything that has happened. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. WHO DAT!

08-28-2012, 02:35 PM	#39
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by GoofySaint No you miss the point I'd agree with you............ if we had already played those first 8 games. But the fact that the team has done unbelievable things ALREADY and WE'RE STILL talking crap like going 10-6 even though we may just be one of the most complete teams in the NFL(next to steelers, texans, and 9ers etc) is the problem here. The fact that this guy thinks that we'd actually struggle in the division or go 4-4 is what irks me. I don't understand where people get this idea that we SHOULD fail. I hope people realize that every time they say that Sean Payton not being there will drastically affect the Saints. You're not complementing Payton. You're insulting him. His system is still there. His coaches are identical to his style. They do what he wants from them. They call the plays he'd call. Great coaches do that. A decade and a half later I still bits and pieces of Bill Parcells system in play with the New York Giants. Even with Coughlin. Jpp reminds me of LT a little bit. Who ever said we were going 4-4 or 10-6 AT ALL? I think we could go 13-3 or 14-2 based off the look of the schedule. It's as if this guy has no hope in us. "The fact that the defense can go through such a drastic change; new d-coordinator, new defensive captain, completely different defensive scheme but the Saints are still in contention because of the amazing offense is pretty impressive." So if it's so impressive, why are we talking about them only going 10-6 or 4-4 or JUST BARELY winning the division? Have you seen the other elite teams defenses? The packers and patriots defenses haven't changed one bit from last year. Ours has. What's also annoying is pointing out how great Brees is but then saying he could only carry us to 10-6. Really? Cause Manning has carried the Colts and Brady has carried the Pats to super bowls before and they had no defense. He carried us to 13-3 and we had a much worse defense last year so why should it shrink to 10-6. It's not "genius". It's Saints football. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We all have varying degrees of comfort for the team this year. Arguing about it and calling people out isn't the way to get your point across. You are a new member here and I have a feeling you were banned from another forum the way you just showed up here and started name calling. I'm going out on a limb here but I don't see us being friends. AlaskaSaints likes this.

08-28-2012, 02:46 PM	#40
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: It could be worse but... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I'm going out on a limb here but I don't see us being friends. Say it ain't so... Crusader and AlaskaSaints like this.

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