PFT Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams

RockyMountainSaint · 09-07-2012, 04:54 PM

Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams | ProFootballTalk
Perhaps the most common question raised in the wake of today’s ruling from the internal appeals panel scuttling the bounty suspensions and sending the process back to Commissioner Roger Goodell (and square one) is whether it will affect the suspensions imposed on non-players, like Saints coach Sean Payton.

The quick answer? No.

Payton, Saints interim coach Joe Vitt, Saints G.M. Mickey Loomis, and former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams were not disciplined within the confines of the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the league and the players. The player protections come from the fact that they have a union that has negotiated a comprehensive and detailed labor deal. Non-players are protected only by the terms of their employment contracts — which simply don’t include the kind of provisions that helped the players in this specific case.

For non-players, every dispute on every issue goes back to the league office for resolution. So while the CBA has given the players new life (for now), the non-players continue to be suspended, with no hope for any change in their status.

CharityMike · 09-07-2012, 04:58 PM

Thats pooters. Don't see why if it can be proven that nothing was done intentinally to harm anyone. I think this is where a judges ruling would open the door for the coach's to bring up legal action if they felt inclined to. Maybe go back to the Komissar and have a new conversation.

|Mitch| · 09-07-2012, 04:58 PM

Albert Breer said the same thing on the NFL Network. They have already went through the appeals process, so they are S.O.L.

CharityMike · 09-07-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Albert Breer said the same thing on the NFL Network. They have already went through the appeals process, so they are S.O.L.

Yeah but thats before Godell was made to look like a clown with an agenda.

saintfan · 09-07-2012, 05:03 PM

Schefter (sp) on ESPN (yes, I had to go see if they even reported it) said he is almost certain Sean would pursue "some sort of legal action".

I guess we'll see.

|Mitch| · 09-07-2012, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Yeah but thats before Godell was made to look like a clown with an agenda.

That was about 15 minutes ago; The coaches will have to pursue legal action against the NFL/Roger so that may take awhile...

Mardigras9 · 09-07-2012, 05:08 PM

It just makes sense that if the coaches are guilty and punished for facilitating something that can't be proven, they should also not be penalized. And the hearing should be rushed given the timing and circumstances.

SmashMouth · 09-07-2012, 05:28 PM

Ashley · 09-07-2012, 05:29 PM

as bad as we all would hope that it will. It just will not, but I can still scream..... FREE Sean Payton !!!

SmashMouth · 09-07-2012, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

as bad as we all would hope that it will. It just will not, but I can still scream..... FREE Sean Payton !!!

Or fly airplanes with banner at every game ...

09-07-2012, 04:54 PM	#1
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	PFT Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams \| ProFootballTalk Perhaps the most common question raised in the wake of today’s ruling from the internal appeals panel scuttling the bounty suspensions and sending the process back to Commissioner Roger Goodell (and square one) is whether it will affect the suspensions imposed on non-players, like Saints coach Sean Payton. The quick answer? No. Payton, Saints interim coach Joe Vitt, Saints G.M. Mickey Loomis, and former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams were not disciplined within the confines of the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the league and the players. The player protections come from the fact that they have a union that has negotiated a comprehensive and detailed labor deal. Non-players are protected only by the terms of their employment contracts — which simply don’t include the kind of provisions that helped the players in this specific case. For non-players, every dispute on every issue goes back to the league office for resolution. So while the CBA has given the players new life (for now), the non-players continue to be suspended, with no hope for any change in their status. homerj07 likes this.
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09-07-2012, 04:58 PM	#2
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: PFT Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams Thats pooters. Don't see why if it can be proven that nothing was done intentinally to harm anyone. I think this is where a judges ruling would open the door for the coach's to bring up legal action if they felt inclined to. Maybe go back to the Komissar and have a new conversation.

09-07-2012, 04:58 PM	#3
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: PFT Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams Albert Breer said the same thing on the NFL Network. They have already went through the appeals process, so they are S.O.L.

09-07-2012, 05:03 PM	#4
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: PFT Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Albert Breer said the same thing on the NFL Network. They have already went through the appeals process, so they are S.O.L. Yeah but thats before Godell was made to look like a clown with an agenda. ScottF likes this.

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: PFT Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams Schefter (sp) on ESPN (yes, I had to go see if they even reported it) said he is almost certain Sean would pursue "some sort of legal action". I guess we'll see. CharityMike likes this.

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09-07-2012, 05:05 PM	#6
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: PFT Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams Originally Posted by CharityMike Yeah but thats before Godell was made to look like a clown with an agenda. That was about 15 minutes ago; The coaches will have to pursue legal action against the NFL/Roger so that may take awhile...

09-07-2012, 05:08 PM	#7
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: PFT Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams It just makes sense that if the coaches are guilty and punished for facilitating something that can't be proven, they should also not be penalized. And the hearing should be rushed given the timing and circumstances.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: PFT Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams

09-07-2012, 05:29 PM	#9
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: PFT Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams as bad as we all would hope that it will. It just will not, but I can still scream..... FREE Sean Payton !!! CharityMike likes this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: PFT Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams Originally Posted by Ashley as bad as we all would hope that it will. It just will not, but I can still scream..... FREE Sean Payton !!! Or fly airplanes with banner at every game ...

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