Trust in Spags?

44Champs · 09-09-2012, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Haps Biggest Fan

Spags will build us into a strong defense. Don't worry about that. It might take a few years, but, it will happen.

A few years?? I hope you're kidding w this comment.

Haps Biggest Fan · 09-10-2012, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

A few years?? I hope you're kidding w this comment.

I hope I am wrong, but, it could take a few years to build a dominant defense. I see nothing about the Saints D right now that would make me believe that it can be done in less than a season or even one season.

LivnaLieTimay · 09-09-2012, 11:44 PM

Well it didn't look good today. The one thing I will say is in the year the giants won the Super Bowl with Spags as DC, they allowed 80 points in their first 2 games (45 to Dallas, 35 to GB). Now granted both those teams finished 13-3, but I'm willing to give it a little more time before I hit the panic button. Getting some of our starters (especially at corner) healthy and back on the field would definitely help.

FinSaint · 09-10-2012, 12:03 AM

I do trust Spags and his scheme... the Saints' defensive players, not so much.

But like the FOX broadcast team said, Spags' Giants started giving up 80 total points in their first two games, but ended up winning the Super Bowl, so I'm not willing give up on either Spags nor the Saints' D players just yet.

Joker · 09-10-2012, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I do trust Spags and his scheme... the Saints' defensive players, not so much.

But like the FOX broadcast team said, Spags' Giants started giving up 80 total points in their first two games, but ended up winning the Super Bowl, so I'm not willing give up on either Spags nor the Saints' D players just yet.

Big difference in the talent he had in NY than what he has now to working with. Yesterday I was very critical of Spags and lack of adjustment, Wrote some things I regret today. I' ll wait a few more weeks before I criticize him again if at all.

Krohmer looked like a deer caught in the headlights, just stood there like a bump on a log and did nothing, didn't even argue the pass interference call in the end zone on Roman Harper. IMO that wasn't even close to pass interference just good coverage.

Thanks Mr. Goodhell for stripping us of a chance to win by taking our Head Coach.

FinSaint · 09-10-2012, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Joker

Big difference in the talent he had in NY than what he has now to working with. Yesterday I was very critical of Spags and lack of adjustment, Wrote some things I regret today. I' ll wait a few more weeks before I criticize him again if at all.

Krohmer looked like a deer caught in the headlights, just stood there like a bump on a log and did nothing, didn't even argue the pass interference call in the end zone on Roman Harper. IMO that wasn't even close to pass interference just good coverage.

Thanks Mr. Goodhell for stripping us of a chance to win by taking our Head Coach.

Agreed, but they didn't have great talent at DB either, so there's still hope for the Saints' D.

That pass interference call on Harper was ridiculous, and it probably had a very big affect on how the game unfolded. The 'Skins would've had to punt if the pass was called incomplete as it should've, and the Saints could have gone onto make it a 1-score game in the 3rd quarter instead of being put in a situation where the 'Skins could just bound in the ball from the 1 yard line.

It was a terrible call, especially when there were so many occasions where the Saints' receivers were impeded from running their routes cleanly with jersey-pulls and whatnots... not one of those being called by the refs.

alexonfyre · 09-10-2012, 01:02 AM

Honestly, I thought our D scheme looked fundamentally good, the problem was the big plays. We were actually tackling people! There were only a couple of bad misses, and nowhere near as bad as under GW. We stopped the run, and forced RG3 to make some pretty risky passes, but our secondary wasn't there to finish the job, and his receivers bailed his a$$ out more than once. When Jabari is back it will help, but we need our backs to take a serious look at themselves and readjust.

halloween 65 · 09-10-2012, 07:06 AM

In the words of Ray Lewis, if your D gives up 25 points in a game they are NOT DOING THEIR JOB. I think also this was Hassletts homecoming and his D looked good until the 4th quater, the Skins D will only get better, his version of the Dome Patrol. Our D will figure things out in a few games but until then the storms will keep coming. Our O is my concern, we haven't been man-handled like that since St. Louis under Spags., the Niners didn't make us look this bad on the O and their D is much better than the Skins. Keep in mind the Skins went on cruise controll in the 4th so hang on to your hats folks until our O gets it down our D is going to have to get tough enough to keep things close and that may take a while.

FinSaint · 09-10-2012, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

In the words of Ray Lewis, if your D gives up 25 points in a game they are NOT DOING THEIR JOB.

Well, the 40 burger was not all on the defense.

The Harper pass interference call should've been a turn over on downs - 7 points.

The 12th man on the 4th down punt - 3 points.

Interception thrown by Brees, which put the ball inside the 5 yard line - 7 points.

If you take all those mishaps, they combine for 17 points, and without them the Saints' defense would've "only" allowed 23 points... well within that Ray Lewis "margin of excellence."

Just saying...

NuNu318 · 09-10-2012, 08:41 AM

One thing I did notice....Niether rookie DTs Hicks or Walker were activated for this game. I really feel they need to be to get pressure. They are the 2 that did get constant pressure up the middle all preseason. Bunkley & Ellis paired together is good for run stoppage but we need PUSH!! Thats what we've always lacked...I really think Hicks would have made at least alittle difference in this game.

09-09-2012, 10:57 PM	#1
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Originally Posted by Haps Biggest Fan Spags will build us into a strong defense. Don't worry about that. It might take a few years, but, it will happen. A few years?? I hope you're kidding w this comment. ScottF likes this.
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09-10-2012, 07:07 PM	#2
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	Re: Trust in Spags? Originally Posted by 44Champs A few years?? I hope you're kidding w this comment. I hope I am wrong, but, it could take a few years to build a dominant defense. I see nothing about the Saints D right now that would make me believe that it can be done in less than a season or even one season.

09-09-2012, 11:44 PM	#3
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,499	Re: Trust in Spags? Well it didn't look good today. The one thing I will say is in the year the giants won the Super Bowl with Spags as DC, they allowed 80 points in their first 2 games (45 to Dallas, 35 to GB). Now granted both those teams finished 13-3, but I'm willing to give it a little more time before I hit the panic button. Getting some of our starters (especially at corner) healthy and back on the field would definitely help.

09-10-2012, 12:03 AM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Trust in Spags? I do trust Spags and his scheme... the Saints' defensive players, not so much. But like the FOX broadcast team said, Spags' Giants started giving up 80 total points in their first two games, but ended up winning the Super Bowl, so I'm not willing give up on either Spags nor the Saints' D players just yet. Ashley likes this.

09-10-2012, 07:57 AM	#5
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Trust in Spags? Originally Posted by FinSaint I do trust Spags and his scheme... the Saints' defensive players, not so much. But like the FOX broadcast team said, Spags' Giants started giving up 80 total points in their first two games, but ended up winning the Super Bowl, so I'm not willing give up on either Spags nor the Saints' D players just yet. Big difference in the talent he had in NY than what he has now to working with. Yesterday I was very critical of Spags and lack of adjustment, Wrote some things I regret today. I' ll wait a few more weeks before I criticize him again if at all. Krohmer looked like a deer caught in the headlights, just stood there like a bump on a log and did nothing, didn't even argue the pass interference call in the end zone on Roman Harper. IMO that wasn't even close to pass interference just good coverage. Thanks Mr. Goodhell for stripping us of a chance to win by taking our Head Coach.

09-10-2012, 08:08 AM	#6
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Trust in Spags? Originally Posted by Joker Big difference in the talent he had in NY than what he has now to working with. Yesterday I was very critical of Spags and lack of adjustment, Wrote some things I regret today. I' ll wait a few more weeks before I criticize him again if at all. Krohmer looked like a deer caught in the headlights, just stood there like a bump on a log and did nothing, didn't even argue the pass interference call in the end zone on Roman Harper. IMO that wasn't even close to pass interference just good coverage. Thanks Mr. Goodhell for stripping us of a chance to win by taking our Head Coach. Agreed, but they didn't have great talent at DB either, so there's still hope for the Saints' D. That pass interference call on Harper was ridiculous, and it probably had a very big affect on how the game unfolded. The 'Skins would've had to punt if the pass was called incomplete as it should've, and the Saints could have gone onto make it a 1-score game in the 3rd quarter instead of being put in a situation where the 'Skins could just bound in the ball from the 1 yard line. It was a terrible call, especially when there were so many occasions where the Saints' receivers were impeded from running their routes cleanly with jersey-pulls and whatnots... not one of those being called by the refs.
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09-10-2012, 01:02 AM	#7
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Re: Trust in Spags? Honestly, I thought our D scheme looked fundamentally good, the problem was the big plays. We were actually tackling people! There were only a couple of bad misses, and nowhere near as bad as under GW. We stopped the run, and forced RG3 to make some pretty risky passes, but our secondary wasn't there to finish the job, and his receivers bailed his a$$ out more than once. When Jabari is back it will help, but we need our backs to take a serious look at themselves and readjust. FinSaint likes this.

09-10-2012, 07:06 AM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Trust in Spags? In the words of Ray Lewis, if your D gives up 25 points in a game they are NOT DOING THEIR JOB. I think also this was Hassletts homecoming and his D looked good until the 4th quater, the Skins D will only get better, his version of the Dome Patrol. Our D will figure things out in a few games but until then the storms will keep coming. Our O is my concern, we haven't been man-handled like that since St. Louis under Spags., the Niners didn't make us look this bad on the O and their D is much better than the Skins. Keep in mind the Skins went on cruise controll in the 4th so hang on to your hats folks until our O gets it down our D is going to have to get tough enough to keep things close and that may take a while.

09-10-2012, 11:04 AM	#9
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Trust in Spags? Originally Posted by halloween 65 In the words of Ray Lewis, if your D gives up 25 points in a game they are NOT DOING THEIR JOB. Well, the 40 burger was not all on the defense. The Harper pass interference call should've been a turn over on downs - 7 points. The 12th man on the 4th down punt - 3 points. Interception thrown by Brees, which put the ball inside the 5 yard line - 7 points. If you take all those mishaps, they combine for 17 points, and without them the Saints' defense would've "only" allowed 23 points... well within that Ray Lewis "margin of excellence." Just saying...

09-10-2012, 08:41 AM	#10
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	Re: Trust in Spags? One thing I did notice....Niether rookie DTs Hicks or Walker were activated for this game. I really feel they need to be to get pressure. They are the 2 that did get constant pressure up the middle all preseason. Bunkley & Ellis paired together is good for run stoppage but we need PUSH!! Thats what we've always lacked...I really think Hicks would have made at least alittle difference in this game.

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