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Ashley · 09-16-2012, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

You can twist it however you like. For me I'm staying positive, does no use to be negative and complain about it

Hey I'm not twisting anything, we just might have the worst d in the league. No pass rush, and no Db's. I want us to win like everyone else on this form. I'm not here to say I told you so. I'm just calling it as I see it.
I want to fix it, so like I asked before on this thread... How? how do we fix this so we can get back on track?
My answer, run the damn ball, be better in the red zone, stop DROPPING passes. That is now we fix our D.

Danno · 09-16-2012, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

No pass rush, and no Db's.

No pass rush = no DB's

Boutte · 09-16-2012, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

Another problem, red zone.... drop passes AGAIN!!

Yep. We could be 2-0 if it wasn't for that. And not just in the red zone either. Did any of our receivers not drop one today?

Boutte · 09-16-2012, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Mikemike

if we didn't give up 37 points per game we could be 2-0.

if no one ever missed a tackle we could be 2-0

if we didn't give up 400 yards per game we could be 2-0

if.... if ....if....if

My point is that despite all the things you mention we were a couple of completions (read, not dropped) away from winning both of these games. If (and that's a huge if) there's one positive to take away from both games it's that as bad as we've played we were in both games till the very end.

It's hard not to be negative but I don't want to bury my head in the sand either. I just think we can still turn it around.

Boutte · 09-16-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Mikemike

Fair enough.

..I disagree with dropped passes being the only reason we lost, though.
You could say the same thing about interceptions, missed tackles, inability to cover....etc...

I'm not "burying my head" or being "negative".
I'm being realistic and clear headed. Our defense is very VERY bad.

Yeah, very! A perfect example was that 60 + yarder that Smith put on us. The CB blew his assignment, obviously, but that's the kind of thing that can be corrected.

SaintsBro · 09-16-2012, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

ok I'm done on my venting, how do we improve this? How can you fix a D that is so bad?

You get your linebackers coach/assistant coach back in week 7 who has 30+ years experience in defensive coaching, and he goes ballistic yelling and screaming in the first meeting and tears everyone on the team a new one, puts the fear of God in them, and busts out the X's and O's and makes Spags explain what the hell he has been doing the past six weeks. No seriously. We are two coaches short of every other team in the league right now. Think about that. The defense IS going to get better when Vitt comes back, and the offense will get better when Kromer can go back to focusing on coaching the O-line, like he's supposed to.

Barry from MS · 09-16-2012, 06:10 PM

Ellis is awful...not physical. Not impressed with Bunkley, either. Hicks, however, MOVED people and he's gonna surpass Ellis and Bunkley by the end of the year. Will Smith just should have taken the 4 games off, 'cause he's already taken 2 games off so far. But I do love Cameron Jordan and Gillette.

I am impressed with our running game today. And Hartley knocking down a +50 yarder. Our special teams were pretty good today from what I could tell.

Some good, but more bad today and last week. We can't pressure a QB for jack-piss, but WAS and CAR sure can pressure ours. We're losing on the line of scrimmage on both sides. If this don't change, I see a bad moon arisin'.

Ashley · 09-16-2012, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Ellis is awful...not physical. Not impressed with Bunkley, either. Hicks, however, MOVED people and he's gonna surpass Ellis and Bunkley by the end of the year. Will Smith just should have taken the 4 games off, 'cause he's already taken 2 games off so far. But I do love Cameron Jordan and Gillette.

I am impressed with our running game today. And Hartley knocking down a +50 yarder. Our special teams were pretty good today from what I could tell.

Some good, but more bad today and last week. We can't pressure a QB for jack-piss, but WAS and CAR sure can pressure ours. We're losing on the line of scrimmage on both sides. If this don't change, I see a bad moon arisin'.

Barry you are right both lines are not getting it done. pressure up the middle and the outside in drew's face both games.
The d, I'm not saying anymore about them today. They are just bad.

frankeefrank · 09-16-2012, 06:25 PM

Can Roby play Safety?

Danno · 09-16-2012, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by frankeefrank

Can Roby play Safety?

Why would you want that? Our safeties are the least of our worries on defense.

09-16-2012, 04:59 PM	#31
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: Welcome To 0-2 Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| You can twist it however you like. For me I'm staying positive, does no use to be negative and complain about it Hey I'm not twisting anything, we just might have the worst d in the league. No pass rush, and no Db's. I want us to win like everyone else on this form. I'm not here to say I told you so. I'm just calling it as I see it. I want to fix it, so like I asked before on this thread... How? how do we fix this so we can get back on track? My answer, run the damn ball, be better in the red zone, stop DROPPING passes. That is now we fix our D. Boutte likes this.
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09-16-2012, 05:00 PM	#32
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Welcome To 0-2 Originally Posted by Ashley No pass rush, and no Db's. No pass rush = no DB's Boutte likes this.

09-16-2012, 05:05 PM	#33
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Welcome To 0-2 Originally Posted by Ashley Another problem, red zone.... drop passes AGAIN!! Yep. We could be 2-0 if it wasn't for that. And not just in the red zone either. Did any of our receivers not drop one today? Crusader likes this.

09-16-2012, 05:16 PM	#34
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Welcome To 0-2 Originally Posted by Mikemike if we didn't give up 37 points per game we could be 2-0. if no one ever missed a tackle we could be 2-0 if we didn't give up 400 yards per game we could be 2-0 if.... if ....if....if My point is that despite all the things you mention we were a couple of completions (read, not dropped) away from winning both of these games. If (and that's a huge if) there's one positive to take away from both games it's that as bad as we've played we were in both games till the very end. It's hard not to be negative but I don't want to bury my head in the sand either. I just think we can still turn it around. \|Mitch\| and SaintnDE like this.

09-16-2012, 05:39 PM	#35
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Welcome To 0-2 Originally Posted by Mikemike Fair enough. ..I disagree with dropped passes being the only reason we lost, though. You could say the same thing about interceptions, missed tackles, inability to cover....etc... I'm not "burying my head" or being "negative". I'm being realistic and clear headed. Our defense is very VERY bad. Yeah, very! A perfect example was that 60 + yarder that Smith put on us. The CB blew his assignment, obviously, but that's the kind of thing that can be corrected.

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09-16-2012, 06:08 PM	#36
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Welcome To 0-2 Originally Posted by Ashley ok I'm done on my venting, how do we improve this? How can you fix a D that is so bad? You get your linebackers coach/assistant coach back in week 7 who has 30+ years experience in defensive coaching, and he goes ballistic yelling and screaming in the first meeting and tears everyone on the team a new one, puts the fear of God in them, and busts out the X's and O's and makes Spags explain what the hell he has been doing the past six weeks. No seriously. We are two coaches short of every other team in the league right now. Think about that. The defense IS going to get better when Vitt comes back, and the offense will get better when Kromer can go back to focusing on coaching the O-line, like he's supposed to.

09-16-2012, 06:10 PM	#37
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Welcome To 0-2 Ellis is awful...not physical. Not impressed with Bunkley, either. Hicks, however, MOVED people and he's gonna surpass Ellis and Bunkley by the end of the year. Will Smith just should have taken the 4 games off, 'cause he's already taken 2 games off so far. But I do love Cameron Jordan and Gillette. I am impressed with our running game today. And Hartley knocking down a +50 yarder. Our special teams were pretty good today from what I could tell. Some good, but more bad today and last week. We can't pressure a QB for jack-piss, but WAS and CAR sure can pressure ours. We're losing on the line of scrimmage on both sides. If this don't change, I see a bad moon arisin'.

09-16-2012, 06:18 PM	#38
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: Welcome To 0-2 Originally Posted by Barry from MS Ellis is awful...not physical. Not impressed with Bunkley, either. Hicks, however, MOVED people and he's gonna surpass Ellis and Bunkley by the end of the year. Will Smith just should have taken the 4 games off, 'cause he's already taken 2 games off so far. But I do love Cameron Jordan and Gillette. I am impressed with our running game today. And Hartley knocking down a +50 yarder. Our special teams were pretty good today from what I could tell. Some good, but more bad today and last week. We can't pressure a QB for jack-piss, but WAS and CAR sure can pressure ours. We're losing on the line of scrimmage on both sides. If this don't change, I see a bad moon arisin'. Barry you are right both lines are not getting it done. pressure up the middle and the outside in drew's face both games. The d, I'm not saying anymore about them today. They are just bad.

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09-16-2012, 06:28 PM	#40
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Welcome To 0-2 Originally Posted by frankeefrank Can Roby play Safety? Why would you want that? Our safeties are the least of our worries on defense.

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