Spagnolo

|Mitch| · 09-20-2012, 08:33 PM

^ You do know that Spags drafted JPP right? He also drafted Corey White and Akiem Hicks... Hicks looks like he might be a good one and White can tackle just needs to work on the coverage skills...

mutineer10 · 09-20-2012, 08:33 PM

I don't think anyone seriously wants rid of Spags already, and I think most Saints fans are reasonable enough to accept that this re-jiggering of our defense is gonna take some time. However, the complaints are gonna get louder if some improvement doesn't manifest itself soon.

The defense has been terrible our 1st two games, that is a simple fact. People are gonna vent about it here, this is a Saints message board and that is a poster's right. It's not complicated, nor is it anything new.

jeanpierre · 09-20-2012, 08:39 PM

You do have to give Spagnuolo a little more than a year to see if he's had some progression; for me, the problem is personnel...

We've got two very overpaid players on defense in Will Smith and Roman Harper...

We've got first round busts in Sedrick Ellis and Malcolm Jenkins with the jury still out on Patrick Robinson and Cam Jordan...

And where we've done fairly well in Free Agency - we've not been aggressive enough; take the money paid to the aforementioned players and get people in their that are younger, faster, stronger that are going to make big hits and plays...

Let's give opportunities to Corey White, Rafael Bush, and Martez Wilson - there's a ceiling to what you can learn on the bench...

Joker · 09-20-2012, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

^ You do know that Spags drafted JPP right? He also drafted Corey White and Akiem Hicks... Hicks looks like he might be a good one and White can tackle just needs to work on the coverage skills...

JPP was a decision made by the organization and he probably had some say, but 1 player that he wasn't around to coach does not add up to building a defense, the Giants as I stated was already loaded and as for as the other 2 we'll see, to this point I've seen nothing that made me say WOW what a draft pick.
I'm hoping he can turn this into a top 10 defense but at this point I'll settle for a top 20, being rated almost last in every category is not that good. Time will tell, I'm just pointing out the facts, he has never built a defense.
You do understand what I'm saying?

Joker · 09-20-2012, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You do have to give Spagnuolo a little more than a year to see if he's had some progression; for me, the problem is personnel...

We've got two very overpaid players on defense in Will Smith and Roman Harper...

We've got first round busts in Sedrick Ellis and Malcolm Jenkins with the jury still out on Patrick Robinson and Cam Jordan...

And where we've done fairly well in Free Agency - we've not been aggressive enough; take the money paid to the aforementioned players and get people in their that are younger, faster, stronger that are going to make big hits and plays...

Let's give opportunities to Corey White, Rafael Bush, and Martez Wilson - there's a ceiling to what you can learn on the bench...

Don't forget hicks, the only thing Sedric Ellis could move is the twinkies to get to the doughnuts

TheOak · 09-21-2012, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Joker

Don't forget hicks, the only thing Sedric Ellis could move is the twinkies to get to the doughnuts

Niche player?

Mardigras9 · 09-21-2012, 10:03 AM

I would just like to see some improvement each week from the defense for starters, I could live with that.

Rugby Saint II · 09-23-2012, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You do have to give Spagnuolo a little more than a year to see if he's had some progression; for me, the problem is personnel...

We've got two very overpaid players on defense in Will Smith and Roman Harper...

We've got first round busts in Sedrick Ellis and Malcolm Jenkins with the jury still out on Patrick Robinson and Cam Jordan...

Let's give opportunities to Corey White, Rafael Bush, and Martez Wilson - there's a ceiling to what you can learn on the bench...

Let's also remember that Spags did not have a 1st or 2nd round pick either.......most of your impact players come from there.

Spags has been put under a bus and has to crawl out from under it. Without any help thanks to Godhell.

Supertek · 09-23-2012, 08:14 AM

I think SaperSaint has said it best and yes Vitt can make a difference. It,s a long season and there is still a thread of hope for a winning season. Our inability to make adjustments is a lack of coaching. Benson has not and is not doing his job. He failed to realize how important it is for a team to build an idenity which is fashioned after their head coach. We still need to bring someone in here. To think otherwise is folly.

halloween 65 · 09-23-2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You do have to give Spagnuolo a little more than a year to see if he's had some progression; for me, the problem is personnel...

We've got two very overpaid players on defense in Will Smith and Roman Harper...

We've got first round busts in Sedrick Ellis and Malcolm Jenkins with the jury still out on Patrick Robinson and Cam Jordan...

And where we've done fairly well in Free Agency - we've not been aggressive enough; take the money paid to the aforementioned players and get people in their that are younger, faster, stronger that are going to make big hits and plays...

Let's give opportunities to Corey White, Rafael Bush, and Martez Wilson - there's a ceiling to what you can learn on the bench...

Ellis is a bust, Smith has lost a step, Harper is miscast and Jenkins play and field generalship is dismal on his good day, I totally disagree on Jordan he's looking like a force to be reconed with. Robinson will be fine in the backfield if we get a true FS back there that can read the O and line them up properly instead of guessing, I'm all for letting White,Wilson, Bush, and I'll add Quaddus to the mix to see much more time in their respected positions they might add that much needed spark and may be the answer at their position, it would be nice.

09-20-2012, 08:33 PM	#21
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Spagnolo ^ You do know that Spags drafted JPP right? He also drafted Corey White and Akiem Hicks... Hicks looks like he might be a good one and White can tackle just needs to work on the coverage skills...

09-20-2012, 08:33 PM	#22
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Re: Spagnolo I don't think anyone seriously wants rid of Spags already, and I think most Saints fans are reasonable enough to accept that this re-jiggering of our defense is gonna take some time. However, the complaints are gonna get louder if some improvement doesn't manifest itself soon. The defense has been terrible our 1st two games, that is a simple fact. People are gonna vent about it here, this is a Saints message board and that is a poster's right. It's not complicated, nor is it anything new. Rugby Saint II likes this.

09-20-2012, 08:39 PM	#23
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Spagnolo You do have to give Spagnuolo a little more than a year to see if he's had some progression; for me, the problem is personnel... We've got two very overpaid players on defense in Will Smith and Roman Harper... We've got first round busts in Sedrick Ellis and Malcolm Jenkins with the jury still out on Patrick Robinson and Cam Jordan... And where we've done fairly well in Free Agency - we've not been aggressive enough; take the money paid to the aforementioned players and get people in their that are younger, faster, stronger that are going to make big hits and plays... Let's give opportunities to Corey White, Rafael Bush, and Martez Wilson - there's a ceiling to what you can learn on the bench... Rugby Saint II and Joker like this.
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09-20-2012, 08:42 PM	#24
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Spagnolo Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| ^ You do know that Spags drafted JPP right? He also drafted Corey White and Akiem Hicks... Hicks looks like he might be a good one and White can tackle just needs to work on the coverage skills... JPP was a decision made by the organization and he probably had some say, but 1 player that he wasn't around to coach does not add up to building a defense, the Giants as I stated was already loaded and as for as the other 2 we'll see, to this point I've seen nothing that made me say WOW what a draft pick. I'm hoping he can turn this into a top 10 defense but at this point I'll settle for a top 20, being rated almost last in every category is not that good. Time will tell, I'm just pointing out the facts, he has never built a defense. You do understand what I'm saying?

09-20-2012, 08:44 PM	#25
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Spagnolo Originally Posted by jeanpierre You do have to give Spagnuolo a little more than a year to see if he's had some progression; for me, the problem is personnel... We've got two very overpaid players on defense in Will Smith and Roman Harper... We've got first round busts in Sedrick Ellis and Malcolm Jenkins with the jury still out on Patrick Robinson and Cam Jordan... And where we've done fairly well in Free Agency - we've not been aggressive enough; take the money paid to the aforementioned players and get people in their that are younger, faster, stronger that are going to make big hits and plays... Let's give opportunities to Corey White, Rafael Bush, and Martez Wilson - there's a ceiling to what you can learn on the bench... Don't forget hicks, the only thing Sedric Ellis could move is the twinkies to get to the doughnuts

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09-21-2012, 07:05 AM	#26
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Spagnolo Originally Posted by Joker Don't forget hicks, the only thing Sedric Ellis could move is the twinkies to get to the doughnuts Niche player?

09-21-2012, 10:03 AM	#27
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Spagnolo I would just like to see some improvement each week from the defense for starters, I could live with that.

09-23-2012, 12:57 AM	#28
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: Spagnolo Originally Posted by jeanpierre You do have to give Spagnuolo a little more than a year to see if he's had some progression; for me, the problem is personnel... We've got two very overpaid players on defense in Will Smith and Roman Harper... We've got first round busts in Sedrick Ellis and Malcolm Jenkins with the jury still out on Patrick Robinson and Cam Jordan... Let's give opportunities to Corey White, Rafael Bush, and Martez Wilson - there's a ceiling to what you can learn on the bench... Let's also remember that Spags did not have a 1st or 2nd round pick either.......most of your impact players come from there. Spags has been put under a bus and has to crawl out from under it. Without any help thanks to Godhell.

09-23-2012, 08:14 AM	#29
Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	Re: Spagnolo I think SaperSaint has said it best and yes Vitt can make a difference. It,s a long season and there is still a thread of hope for a winning season. Our inability to make adjustments is a lack of coaching. Benson has not and is not doing his job. He failed to realize how important it is for a team to build an idenity which is fashioned after their head coach. We still need to bring someone in here. To think otherwise is folly.

09-23-2012, 08:40 AM	#30
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Spagnolo Originally Posted by jeanpierre You do have to give Spagnuolo a little more than a year to see if he's had some progression; for me, the problem is personnel... We've got two very overpaid players on defense in Will Smith and Roman Harper... We've got first round busts in Sedrick Ellis and Malcolm Jenkins with the jury still out on Patrick Robinson and Cam Jordan... And where we've done fairly well in Free Agency - we've not been aggressive enough; take the money paid to the aforementioned players and get people in their that are younger, faster, stronger that are going to make big hits and plays... Let's give opportunities to Corey White, Rafael Bush, and Martez Wilson - there's a ceiling to what you can learn on the bench... Ellis is a bust, Smith has lost a step, Harper is miscast and Jenkins play and field generalship is dismal on his good day, I totally disagree on Jordan he's looking like a force to be reconed with. Robinson will be fine in the backfield if we get a true FS back there that can read the O and line them up properly instead of guessing, I'm all for letting White,Wilson, Bush, and I'll add Quaddus to the mix to see much more time in their respected positions they might add that much needed spark and may be the answer at their position, it would be nice.

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