Spagnolo

TheOak · 09-19-2012, 12:06 PM

Ill start with a question. Anyone ever thought of letting Sean Payton go?
First three years under Payton:
2006 = 10-6
2007 = 7-9
2008 = 8-8

Frikken ludicrous thought isn't it right now?

Spagnolo has has two frikken games and people are already discussing letting him go.

Saints fans can be difficult to understand for me some times. They become smitten with a player and want to keep him forever, even after a few seasons prove that the player is not producing and needs to go.

Examples: (I have seen people wish we had these players back recently)
Reggie Bush
Jonathan Vilma
Tracey Porter

Yet when someone takes time to develop... They get 3 qtrs and they gots ta go!

Shoe. · 09-19-2012, 12:12 PM

Apparently it was the same story in NY the year they went to the Bowl. NYers wanted him given the can after the first two games, but they don't seem to complain as loudly now, for some reason or another

TheOak · 09-19-2012, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Shoe.

Apparently it was the same story in NY the year they went to the Bowl. NYers wanted him given the can after the first two games, but they don't seem to complain as loudly now, for some reason or another

Exactly why in mu wildest dreams Saints fans endeavor to not act like New Yorkers.

Let... things...develop.

Spags also didn't have 7,421 distractions going on in NY when he did that. Sh1t will gel, just give it time.

It is also note worthy to say: Give it time because we don't have a choice

saintfan · 09-19-2012, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Exactly why in mu wildest dreams Saints fans endeavor to not act like New Yorkers.

Let... things...develop.

Spags also didn't have 7,421 distractions going on in NY when he did that. Sh1t will gel, just give it time.

It is also note worthy to say: Give it time because we don't have a choice

I'm willing to give it time, because we couldn't suck any harder even if we upgraded to 93 octane. We have reached maximum sucktitude. It can't get any worse.

TheOak · 09-19-2012, 12:47 PM

Most are so frustrated that they are not recognizing how big of an impact this defensive growth period is having.

It will GEL, just give it time.... Mostly because you have no choice but to give it time.

Special Teams: Our punt return team has taken the field how many times this season? 3? maybe? If you cant make them punt, Sproles cant get his hands on the ball.

Our Offense: If you are not making them punt, chances are nearly every drive ends up in either 3 or 7 points. Playing from behind changes Drew and our offense, it also changes how the plays are being called. There is a such thing as over aggression.

When they do punt, its because they are just outside of field goal range and its into the endzone keeping Sproles from taking it out.

Our Defense People, this defense has been turned upside down. Captain Suspended, Coach replaced, Blitzkrieg changed to a complex Spagnolo zone scheme, starters suspended, confidence is ZERO. If you do not understand how much confidence plays into elite level sports you should try.

Wish I could get 20 minutes in front of the team. Ive a hunch that the "Do your job" is being misinterpreted by some, especially Drew. It has two meanings.

1. Do the job you are paid to do and that you know how to do so no one is having to pick up your slack.

2. Do YOUR job and no one elses. Drew needs to pull back and be the QB and not the coach also. This is a product of inexperienced COACHES, not play callers. One of those coaches needs to sit drew down and tell him to manage the ball and not the entire team.

TheOak · 09-19-2012, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I'm willing to give it time, because we couldn't suck any harder even if we upgraded to 93 octane. We have reached maximum sucktitude. It can't get any worse.

Yes it could be worse... Opponents have punted 4 times... Could be zero.

SaintsBro · 09-19-2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

They become smitten with a player and want to keep him forever, even after a few seasons prove that the player is not producing and needs to go.

I have noticed this, too, and I think the psychology of why people do this, actually goes back to the days when the team wasn't very good for so darn long. Back then there was this real love for certain players -- almost weepy, sentimental, bittersweet love -- for the good players on famously bad Saints teams. Like they were gods of the woulda, shoulda, coulda alternate universe that never was, the kings of IF ONLY. I mean going way back to Manning and Abramowitz and Stonebreaker, guys on the earliest teams, the Dome Patrol, the love people had for Bobby Hebert beyond all proportion to what he actually did, etc. etc.

Even long before free agency or fantasy football made this kind of thinking popular, Saints fans of long ago were keyed in on individual players on otherwise weak teams, and got emotionally attached to them...because you couldn't get emotionally attached to the whole team itself, because the team generally sucked so hard or the end result of the game was disappointing.

My theory on this is that some people have this thing where, if the HAPPY BUTTON gets pushed by a certain player, if they have a good experience with him, if he gets their endorphins zooming, they want to keep that player around and keep pushing that HAPPY BUTTON forever. ZAP. ZAP. ZAP. So, the players you named, that people are super attached to, I think they kinda fit that category, maybe?

Sharper is another one. He pushed people's HAPPY BUTTON a lot, and STILL to this day there are people over on SR who are like, "they should bring back Sharper for a tryout!"

TheOak · 09-19-2012, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I have noticed this, too, and I think the psychology of why people do this, actually goes back to the days when the team wasn't very good for so darn long. Back then there was this real love for certain players -- almost weepy, sentimental, bittersweet love -- for the good players on famously bad Saints teams. Like they were gods of the woulda, shoulda, coulda alternate universe that never was, the kings of IF ONLY. I mean going way back to Manning and Abramowitz and Stonebreaker, guys on the earliest teams, the Dome Patrol, the love people had for Bobby Hebert beyond all proportion to what he actually did, etc. etc.

Even long before free agency or fantasy football made this kind of thinking popular, Saints fans of long ago were keyed in on individual players on otherwise weak teams, and got emotionally attached to them...because you couldn't get emotionally attached to the whole team itself, because the team generally sucked so hard or the end result of the game was disappointing.

My theory on this is that some people have this thing where, if the HAPPY BUTTON gets pushed by a certain player, if they have a good experience with him, if he gets their endorphins zooming, they want to keep that player around and keep pushing that HAPPY BUTTON forever. ZAP. ZAP. ZAP. So, the players you named, that people are super attached to, I think they kinda fit that category, maybe?

Sharper is another one. He pushed people's HAPPY BUTTON a lot, and STILL to this day there are people over on SR who are like, "they should bring back Sharper for a tryout!"

Its not just football my friend. The "thats our guy" goes beyond the boundaries of sports.

Some people still want this cat back.

poydras · 09-19-2012, 01:18 PM

No. Our problem is not the defense, it's the lack of motivation and intensity on both sides of the ball. That won't change until we get Sean back next year. By then, the defense will have figured out the new scheme and everything will be better. Besides, the Giants defense was terrible for the first few games after his arrival too. I don't think any changes need to be made in Sean's absence.

SapperSaint · 09-19-2012, 02:08 PM

Call me what you will; but I have chalked this year up as a rebuilding year.

Without Sean, this team is going to suffer. It has suffered. The guys on defense have asmitted that this new defense is complex and it is taking them a little time to learn it. We as fans, need to step out of our "Homer" bodies and realize this has a chance to be a horrible year.

This time in Saintdom, sucks people. Let's just be honest about that. The whole "Us against Them" slogan sounds nice, but without Sean, this team is lost folks.

I think we have the personnel on defense to be good (minus Shanle) and I really think they will be what we were expecting this year; is what they will be next year.

Now before people start bashing me and saying I am giving up on the Saints... No, I do not think we will go winless. However, a SuperBowl is way out of the question. Yes, Sean Payton does mean THAT much to this team. The head of "Our Snake" has been cut off and another one isn't going to just grow back. And if you think this is my first time to state that coaches are important; go search some of my older post when Haslett was fired and we were looking fo a new coach.

Coaches and coaching, MATTERS!

09-19-2012, 12:06 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Spagnolo Ill start with a question. Anyone ever thought of letting Sean Payton go? First three years under Payton: 2006 = 10-6 2007 = 7-9 2008 = 8-8 Frikken ludicrous thought isn't it right now? Spagnolo has has two frikken games and people are already discussing letting him go. Saints fans can be difficult to understand for me some times. They become smitten with a player and want to keep him forever, even after a few seasons prove that the player is not producing and needs to go. Examples: (I have seen people wish we had these players back recently) Reggie Bush Jonathan Vilma Tracey Porter Yet when someone takes time to develop... They get 3 qtrs and they gots ta go! Danno, Beastmode, bobdog86 and 1 others like this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-19-2012, 12:12 PM	#2
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Spagnolo Apparently it was the same story in NY the year they went to the Bowl. NYers wanted him given the can after the first two games, but they don't seem to complain as loudly now, for some reason or another

09-19-2012, 12:14 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Spagnolo Originally Posted by Shoe. Apparently it was the same story in NY the year they went to the Bowl. NYers wanted him given the can after the first two games, but they don't seem to complain as loudly now, for some reason or another Exactly why in mu wildest dreams Saints fans endeavor to not act like New Yorkers. Let... things...develop. Spags also didn't have 7,421 distractions going on in NY when he did that. Sh1t will gel, just give it time. It is also note worthy to say: Give it time because we don't have a choice Rugby Saint II, bobdog86 and Rell&Gold like this.

09-19-2012, 12:32 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Spagnolo Originally Posted by x626xBlack Exactly why in mu wildest dreams Saints fans endeavor to not act like New Yorkers. Let... things...develop. Spags also didn't have 7,421 distractions going on in NY when he did that. Sh1t will gel, just give it time. It is also note worthy to say: Give it time because we don't have a choice I'm willing to give it time, because we couldn't suck any harder even if we upgraded to 93 octane. We have reached maximum sucktitude. It can't get any worse. Danno, spkb25, mutineer10 and 1 others like this.

09-19-2012, 12:47 PM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Spagnolo Most are so frustrated that they are not recognizing how big of an impact this defensive growth period is having. It will GEL, just give it time.... Mostly because you have no choice but to give it time. Special Teams: Our punt return team has taken the field how many times this season? 3? maybe? If you cant make them punt, Sproles cant get his hands on the ball. Our Offense: If you are not making them punt, chances are nearly every drive ends up in either 3 or 7 points. Playing from behind changes Drew and our offense, it also changes how the plays are being called. There is a such thing as over aggression. When they do punt, its because they are just outside of field goal range and its into the endzone keeping Sproles from taking it out. Our Defense People, this defense has been turned upside down. Captain Suspended, Coach replaced, Blitzkrieg changed to a complex Spagnolo zone scheme, starters suspended, confidence is ZERO. If you do not understand how much confidence plays into elite level sports you should try. Wish I could get 20 minutes in front of the team. Ive a hunch that the "Do your job" is being misinterpreted by some, especially Drew. It has two meanings. 1. Do the job you are paid to do and that you know how to do so no one is having to pick up your slack. 2. Do YOUR job and no one elses. Drew needs to pull back and be the QB and not the coach also. This is a product of inexperienced COACHES, not play callers. One of those coaches needs to sit drew down and tell him to manage the ball and not the entire team.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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09-19-2012, 12:50 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Spagnolo Originally Posted by saintfan I'm willing to give it time, because we couldn't suck any harder even if we upgraded to 93 octane. We have reached maximum sucktitude. It can't get any worse. Yes it could be worse... Opponents have punted 4 times... Could be zero. Danno likes this.

09-19-2012, 01:00 PM	#7
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Spagnolo Originally Posted by x626xBlack They become smitten with a player and want to keep him forever, even after a few seasons prove that the player is not producing and needs to go. I have noticed this, too, and I think the psychology of why people do this, actually goes back to the days when the team wasn't very good for so darn long. Back then there was this real love for certain players -- almost weepy, sentimental, bittersweet love -- for the good players on famously bad Saints teams. Like they were gods of the woulda, shoulda, coulda alternate universe that never was, the kings of IF ONLY. I mean going way back to Manning and Abramowitz and Stonebreaker, guys on the earliest teams, the Dome Patrol, the love people had for Bobby Hebert beyond all proportion to what he actually did, etc. etc. Even long before free agency or fantasy football made this kind of thinking popular, Saints fans of long ago were keyed in on individual players on otherwise weak teams, and got emotionally attached to them...because you couldn't get emotionally attached to the whole team itself, because the team generally sucked so hard or the end result of the game was disappointing. My theory on this is that some people have this thing where, if the HAPPY BUTTON gets pushed by a certain player, if they have a good experience with him, if he gets their endorphins zooming, they want to keep that player around and keep pushing that HAPPY BUTTON forever. ZAP. ZAP. ZAP. So, the players you named, that people are super attached to, I think they kinda fit that category, maybe? Sharper is another one. He pushed people's HAPPY BUTTON a lot, and STILL to this day there are people over on SR who are like, "they should bring back Sharper for a tryout!"

09-19-2012, 01:06 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Spagnolo Originally Posted by SaintsBro I have noticed this, too, and I think the psychology of why people do this, actually goes back to the days when the team wasn't very good for so darn long. Back then there was this real love for certain players -- almost weepy, sentimental, bittersweet love -- for the good players on famously bad Saints teams. Like they were gods of the woulda, shoulda, coulda alternate universe that never was, the kings of IF ONLY. I mean going way back to Manning and Abramowitz and Stonebreaker, guys on the earliest teams, the Dome Patrol, the love people had for Bobby Hebert beyond all proportion to what he actually did, etc. etc. Even long before free agency or fantasy football made this kind of thinking popular, Saints fans of long ago were keyed in on individual players on otherwise weak teams, and got emotionally attached to them...because you couldn't get emotionally attached to the whole team itself, because the team generally sucked so hard or the end result of the game was disappointing. My theory on this is that some people have this thing where, if the HAPPY BUTTON gets pushed by a certain player, if they have a good experience with him, if he gets their endorphins zooming, they want to keep that player around and keep pushing that HAPPY BUTTON forever. ZAP. ZAP. ZAP. So, the players you named, that people are super attached to, I think they kinda fit that category, maybe? Sharper is another one. He pushed people's HAPPY BUTTON a lot, and STILL to this day there are people over on SR who are like, "they should bring back Sharper for a tryout!" Its not just football my friend. The "thats our guy" goes beyond the boundaries of sports. Some people still want this cat back. TheKillerBs and sharke like this.

09-19-2012, 01:18 PM	#9
poydras Team Doctor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 856	Re: Spagnolo No. Our problem is not the defense, it's the lack of motivation and intensity on both sides of the ball. That won't change until we get Sean back next year. By then, the defense will have figured out the new scheme and everything will be better. Besides, the Giants defense was terrible for the first few games after his arrival too. I don't think any changes need to be made in Sean's absence. jeanpierre likes this.

09-19-2012, 02:08 PM	#10
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Spagnolo Call me what you will; but I have chalked this year up as a rebuilding year. Without Sean, this team is going to suffer. It has suffered. The guys on defense have asmitted that this new defense is complex and it is taking them a little time to learn it. We as fans, need to step out of our "Homer" bodies and realize this has a chance to be a horrible year. This time in Saintdom, sucks people. Let's just be honest about that. The whole "Us against Them" slogan sounds nice, but without Sean, this team is lost folks. I think we have the personnel on defense to be good (minus Shanle) and I really think they will be what we were expecting this year; is what they will be next year. Now before people start bashing me and saying I am giving up on the Saints... No, I do not think we will go winless. However, a SuperBowl is way out of the question. Yes, Sean Payton does mean THAT much to this team. The head of "Our Snake" has been cut off and another one isn't going to just grow back. And if you think this is my first time to state that coaches are important; go search some of my older post when Haslett was fired and we were looking fo a new coach. Coaches and coaching, MATTERS! B_Dub_Saint and Rugby Saint II like this.
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