Time to trade for defensive help?

|Mitch| · 09-24-2012, 06:19 PM

Nah, we ride this year out and get help this offseason/draft...

Danno · 09-24-2012, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Nah, we ride this year out and get help this offseason/draft...

Exactly. We're only short 1 pick and we'll be OK cap wise especially with Bushrod (2013 UFA 8 mill this season)
Will Smith (due 15 mill in 2013, ain't gonna happen)
Roman Harper (due 8 mill, will renegotiate or bye bye)
Sedrick Ellis (2013 UFA, 8 mill this season)
Malcolm Jenkins (due 4 mill, will renegotiate or bye bye)

Thats over 40 million coming off the books next season. I'd imagine we try and resign all at much lower salaries.

lsutigerfan · 09-24-2012, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Problem is the Saints really do not have much trade bait available. There are probably two guys on the entire roster who could bring a 1st round draft pick or an impact defensive player. Only problem is if the Saints were to trade either of those two guys, the season would really be doomed. Talking about Brees and Sproles if you haven't figured that out.

Sproles wouldn't bring us a first rounder, no way. However Jimmy Graham would and I'd be pissed if that happend.

73Saint · 09-24-2012, 08:13 PM

Would Ingram even bring anything? He's hot garbage if you ask me..

CharityMike · 09-24-2012, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by 73Saint

Would Ingram even bring anything? He's hot garbage if you ask me..

Yeah I am struggling to like him more and more as the games go by. I do think Carmichael is handcuffing him though. It is common knowledge now that when Ingram is in the backfield it is a run. Hard to surprise a D when as soon as they see your face they adjust the D play.

73Saint · 09-24-2012, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Yeah I am struggling to like him more and more as the games go by. I do think Carmichael is handcuffing him though. It is common knowledge now that when Ingram is in the backfield it is a run. Hard to surprise a D when as soon as they see your face they adjust the D play.

Agreed, and I too have tried to like him. But watch his legs when he hits the line, then watch Pierre. It's like night and day. I hope he can turn it around.

The Dude · 09-24-2012, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Those 3 combined wouldn't net us a starter.

We'd have to offer Colston, Henderson, or maybe Moore to land us a decent defensive player.

Exactly. I haven't been a fan of this thought mainly because I still don't think we have seen him used to his capability, but what about Ingram?

Jamessr · 09-24-2012, 09:19 PM

To think we traded up just to get Ingram...

73Saint · 09-24-2012, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

To think we traded up just to get Ingram...

Well, just think of it this way...had we Not traded up, Goodell would have taken that pick from us.

Speedy Ron · 09-24-2012, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Exactly. We're only short 1 pick and we'll be OK cap wise especially with Bushrod (2013 UFA 8 mill this season)
Will Smith (due 15 mill in 2013, ain't gonna happen)
Roman Harper (due 8 mill, will renegotiate or bye bye)
Sedrick Ellis (2013 UFA, 8 mill this season)
Malcolm Jenkins (due 4 mill, will renegotiate or bye bye)

Thats over 40 million coming off the books next season. I'd imagine we try and resign all at much lower salaries.

I honestly would not care if all of them left this team.will smith is defending himself every year from a suspension it seems. Bush rod is falling off this year but doesn't deserve that kind of salary. I wouldn't even wait til the offseason to let Ellis and Jenkins go. Harper is playing out of position...he'd be a better lb than Shanle. I think we could upgrade these positions for the same price

09-24-2012, 06:19 PM	#11
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,735	Re: Time to trade for defensive help? Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Nah, we ride this year out and get help this offseason/draft... Exactly. We're only short 1 pick and we'll be OK cap wise especially with Bushrod (2013 UFA 8 mill this season) Will Smith (due 15 mill in 2013, ain't gonna happen) Roman Harper (due 8 mill, will renegotiate or bye bye) Sedrick Ellis (2013 UFA, 8 mill this season) Malcolm Jenkins (due 4 mill, will renegotiate or bye bye) Thats over 40 million coming off the books next season. I'd imagine we try and resign all at much lower salaries.

09-24-2012, 07:42 PM	#13
lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: Time to trade for defensive help? Originally Posted by MatthewT Problem is the Saints really do not have much trade bait available. There are probably two guys on the entire roster who could bring a 1st round draft pick or an impact defensive player. Only problem is if the Saints were to trade either of those two guys, the season would really be doomed. Talking about Brees and Sproles if you haven't figured that out. Sproles wouldn't bring us a first rounder, no way. However Jimmy Graham would and I'd be pissed if that happend.

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CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Time to trade for defensive help? Originally Posted by 73Saint Would Ingram even bring anything? He's hot garbage if you ask me.. Yeah I am struggling to like him more and more as the games go by. I do think Carmichael is handcuffing him though. It is common knowledge now that when Ingram is in the backfield it is a run. Hard to surprise a D when as soon as they see your face they adjust the D play. SaintsBro likes this.

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09-24-2012, 08:42 PM	#16
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Time to trade for defensive help? Originally Posted by CharityMike Yeah I am struggling to like him more and more as the games go by. I do think Carmichael is handcuffing him though. It is common knowledge now that when Ingram is in the backfield it is a run. Hard to surprise a D when as soon as they see your face they adjust the D play. Agreed, and I too have tried to like him. But watch his legs when he hits the line, then watch Pierre. It's like night and day. I hope he can turn it around.

09-24-2012, 08:51 PM	#17
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,054	Re: Time to trade for defensive help? Originally Posted by Danno Those 3 combined wouldn't net us a starter. We'd have to offer Colston, Henderson, or maybe Moore to land us a decent defensive player. Exactly. I haven't been a fan of this thought mainly because I still don't think we have seen him used to his capability, but what about Ingram?
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73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Time to trade for defensive help? Originally Posted by Jamessr To think we traded up just to get Ingram... Well, just think of it this way...had we Not traded up, Goodell would have taken that pick from us. \|Mitch\|, Jamessr and Shoe. like this.

09-24-2012, 09:33 PM	#20
Speedy Ron I'm an A hole Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metry Posts: 1,173	Re: Time to trade for defensive help? Originally Posted by Danno Exactly. We're only short 1 pick and we'll be OK cap wise especially with Bushrod (2013 UFA 8 mill this season) Will Smith (due 15 mill in 2013, ain't gonna happen) Roman Harper (due 8 mill, will renegotiate or bye bye) Sedrick Ellis (2013 UFA, 8 mill this season) Malcolm Jenkins (due 4 mill, will renegotiate or bye bye) Thats over 40 million coming off the books next season. I'd imagine we try and resign all at much lower salaries. I honestly would not care if all of them left this team.will smith is defending himself every year from a suspension it seems. Bush rod is falling off this year but doesn't deserve that kind of salary. I wouldn't even wait til the offseason to let Ellis and Jenkins go. Harper is playing out of position...he'd be a better lb than Shanle. I think we could upgrade these positions for the same price

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