Mark Ingram's Woes

Danno · 09-28-2012, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm afraid you missed something huge that I already pointed out. Before the draft, the Saints had already signed Pierre to a 4 year deal. There was no uncertainty whatsoever. Plus, it was pretty obvious that he was healing just fine considering the deal they gave him.

We didn't miss your point, we just disagree that he was a sure thing to play in 2011. And even so that gave us ONE RB to depend on, and there was no guarantee that he'd be fully healed.

So again, RB was a need.

burningmetal · 09-28-2012, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We didn't miss your point, we just disagree that he was a sure thing to play in 2011. And even so that gave us ONE RB to depend on, and there was no guarantee that he'd be fully healed.

So again, RB was a need.

Did you read the post I was replying to? He said we should discuss the fact that Pierre was in a contract year, but I had already mentioned that Pierre was signed before the draft. I was speaking directly to him.

Now you can disagree with me all you want, but look at the results. I said it then, and I'm still saying that he was a bad choice. The Saints under Sean Payton will always be a RB by committee, because that's how his system works. You don't waste a first round pick on a committee player when you are starving for a pass rusher or a linebacker who can actually run with TE's and RB's, as the Saints were.

That is my opinion, and I see nothing to suggest it isn't a valid one, but say what you will.

Danno · 09-28-2012, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Now you can disagree with me all you want, but look at the results.

Results have nothing to do with the fact that RB was a need when we picked him, but say what you will.

Cory9289 · 09-28-2012, 08:39 AM

Ingram will never be big with us. Though I'm confident if we shipped him away he'd perform near Reggie. We're just not a team for running backs to be great. We give PT and Sproles screens and such which doesn't help him either. You have to get the ball a lot to become a top running back.

CharityMike · 09-28-2012, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Cory9289

Ingram will never be big with us. Though I'm confident if we shipped him away he'd perform near Reggie. We're just not a team for running backs to be great. We give PT and Sproles screens and such which doesn't help him either. You have to get the ball a lot to become a top running back.

I don't really agree with this. This is the same argument that was ongoing when Bush was here. You could say "we are not a running team" if NONE of our backs did well. PT consistently gets yards. He can run any route, up the gut off tackle, pitch or sweep. Sprloes can do the same as well. The problem is Ingram needs more time. Some RB's take more time to aclimated to the speed of the NFL. Bush is prime example.

darksoul35 · 09-28-2012, 11:49 AM

Ingram is a beast.We have good gaurds and everyone else sucks.The O line is giving up penetration on every play.Not just Ingram but Brees is getting beat up.I do think we will get it together this week though.

Cory9289 · 09-29-2012, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

I don't really agree with this. This is the same argument that was ongoing when Bush was here. You could say "we are not a running team" if NONE of our backs did well. PT consistently gets yards. He can run any route, up the gut off tackle, pitch or sweep. Sprloes can do the same as well. The problem is Ingram needs more time. Some RB's take more time to aclimated to the speed of the NFL. Bush is prime example.

That's what I'm saying :P

TheOak · 09-28-2012, 09:06 AM

After the 2010 season 2011 was a big transition in our back field.

We got rid of 4 and added a 4th with Ingram

Kept:
PT
Ivory

Added:
Sproles
Ingram

Got rid of:
Bush
Hamilton
Jones
Betts

Rell&Gold · 09-28-2012, 10:32 AM

Maybe our need was a RB but we didnt have to spend a 1st round on Ingram Cowboys got Demarco Murray in the whaat?...2-3 round It wasn't the position we weren't thrilled with it was the player "my bad if I spelled his name wrong"

mutineer10 · 09-28-2012, 01:13 PM

I like Mark Ingram, but I'm not sure he's a perfect fit for what the Saints are doing offensively. I almost wanna say he'd be a better fit in a zone-blocking scheme, that "one-cut" stuff Gary Kubiak and Mike Shanahan are famous for.

You can make the case that we need a short-yardage thumper - and I guess every team does - but we most-often pass in goal-line situations. I believe Ingram is a talented RB, but it's true he may never manifest that in NOLA ... but I hope he does ...

09-28-2012, 05:52 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm afraid you missed something huge that I already pointed out. Before the draft, the Saints had already signed Pierre to a 4 year deal. There was no uncertainty whatsoever. Plus, it was pretty obvious that he was healing just fine considering the deal they gave him. We didn't miss your point, we just disagree that he was a sure thing to play in 2011. And even so that gave us ONE RB to depend on, and there was no guarantee that he'd be fully healed. So again, RB was a need.

09-28-2012, 06:04 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by Danno We didn't miss your point, we just disagree that he was a sure thing to play in 2011. And even so that gave us ONE RB to depend on, and there was no guarantee that he'd be fully healed. So again, RB was a need. Did you read the post I was replying to? He said we should discuss the fact that Pierre was in a contract year, but I had already mentioned that Pierre was signed before the draft. I was speaking directly to him. Now you can disagree with me all you want, but look at the results. I said it then, and I'm still saying that he was a bad choice. The Saints under Sean Payton will always be a RB by committee, because that's how his system works. You don't waste a first round pick on a committee player when you are starving for a pass rusher or a linebacker who can actually run with TE's and RB's, as the Saints were. That is my opinion, and I see nothing to suggest it isn't a valid one, but say what you will.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-28-2012, 06:22 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by burningmetal Now you can disagree with me all you want, but look at the results. Results have nothing to do with the fact that RB was a need when we picked him, but say what you will.

09-28-2012, 08:39 AM	#4
Cory9289 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 275	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Ingram will never be big with us. Though I'm confident if we shipped him away he'd perform near Reggie. We're just not a team for running backs to be great. We give PT and Sproles screens and such which doesn't help him either. You have to get the ball a lot to become a top running back. Rell&Gold likes this.
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09-28-2012, 10:45 AM	#5
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by Cory9289 Ingram will never be big with us. Though I'm confident if we shipped him away he'd perform near Reggie. We're just not a team for running backs to be great. We give PT and Sproles screens and such which doesn't help him either. You have to get the ball a lot to become a top running back. I don't really agree with this. This is the same argument that was ongoing when Bush was here. You could say "we are not a running team" if NONE of our backs did well. PT consistently gets yards. He can run any route, up the gut off tackle, pitch or sweep. Sprloes can do the same as well. The problem is Ingram needs more time. Some RB's take more time to aclimated to the speed of the NFL. Bush is prime example.

09-28-2012, 11:49 AM	#6
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,044	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Ingram is a beast.We have good gaurds and everyone else sucks.The O line is giving up penetration on every play.Not just Ingram but Brees is getting beat up.I do think we will get it together this week though.
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09-29-2012, 02:13 AM	#7
Cory9289 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 275	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by CharityMike I don't really agree with this. This is the same argument that was ongoing when Bush was here. You could say "we are not a running team" if NONE of our backs did well. PT consistently gets yards. He can run any route, up the gut off tackle, pitch or sweep. Sprloes can do the same as well. The problem is Ingram needs more time. Some RB's take more time to aclimated to the speed of the NFL. Bush is prime example. That's what I'm saying :P
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09-28-2012, 09:06 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes After the 2010 season 2011 was a big transition in our back field. We got rid of 4 and added a 4th with Ingram Kept: PT Ivory Added: Sproles Ingram Got rid of: Bush Hamilton Jones Betts

09-28-2012, 10:32 AM	#9
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Maybe our need was a RB but we didnt have to spend a 1st round on Ingram Cowboys got Demarco Murray in the whaat?...2-3 round It wasn't the position we weren't thrilled with it was the player "my bad if I spelled his name wrong"

09-28-2012, 01:13 PM	#10
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes I like Mark Ingram, but I'm not sure he's a perfect fit for what the Saints are doing offensively. I almost wanna say he'd be a better fit in a zone-blocking scheme, that "one-cut" stuff Gary Kubiak and Mike Shanahan are famous for. You can make the case that we need a short-yardage thumper - and I guess every team does - but we most-often pass in goal-line situations. I believe Ingram is a talented RB, but it's true he may never manifest that in NOLA ... but I hope he does ...

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