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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Ingram is getting beat up because his productivity is down... A few reasons why it is down this year. Ingram's issues of his own making - Has yet to prove that he can pass block or pick up on the ...

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Old 09-27-2012, 08:14 AM   #1
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Mark Ingram's Woes

Ingram is getting beat up because his productivity is down... A few reasons why it is down this year.


Ingram's issues of his own making - Has yet to prove that he can pass block or pick up on the blitz. This is his problem he needs to fix to get on the field more.


Ingrams issues of the Coaches making - Ingram has been in the game for 43 snaps this season and has run the ball 27 of those. That means 62% of the time if Ingram is on the field he is getting the ball and running it. That is the highest in the league... Defenses know, if Ingram is in he will probably get the ball... This is telegraphing and telling the defenses to key on him.

I alluded to the Saints letting opposing defenses know what we are doing in another thread. We have done nothing creative this year.. Defenses are not sitting back anymore against the Manning's, Brees's, and Brady's, they are coming after them.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:21 AM   #2
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Ingram is probably one of our better pass protectors.

Where did you get that from?

Let me guess... he missed one block this weekend and now he can't pass protect.
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Ingram is probably one of our better pass protectors.

Where did you get that from?

Let me guess... he missed one block this weekend and now he can't pass protect.

Dont get sassy.
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Re: Mark Ingram's Woes

I alluded to the Saints letting opposing defenses know what we are doing in another thread. We have done nothing creative this year.. Defenses are not sitting back anymore against the Manning's, Brees's, and Brady's, they are coming after them.

That is because Payton isn't calling plays this year.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:26 AM   #5
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Re: Mark Ingram's Woes

Without a doubt, way too predictable when he's in the game. Have to change that or we will see him getting stuffed for 3 yard losses as the season wears on. I'd like to see some FB help or a flee flicker to break the cycle up.
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I don't think I've seen us run a screen to Ingram.

I know PT is THE man regarding screen pass success in the entire league, not just on the Saints, but we really need some 'misdirection' to our play calling
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I alluded to the Saints letting opposing defenses know what we are doing in another thread. We have done nothing creative this year.. Defenses are not sitting back anymore against the Manning's, Brees's, and Brady's, they are coming after them.

That is because Payton isn't calling plays this year.
Which tells me the coaches are cruising and afraid to do what they know how to do. They are choosing the safe route.. "what they have done before", only the roadrunner doesn't fall for those tricks more than once.

We do not have to worry about losing our coaches to other teams... Other teams know they are too scared to use the creativity that they have.

At this point we should be going outside of the box... Fake punt on first down, Wide Receivers as corner backs.. no one is catching the ball on either side anyway, Shanle as full back, 3-4 or 2-5 defense... Mix it up.. Our problem is predictability.

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Its certainly predictable. Way too many times the 1st defender to hit Ingram is almost always a yard or two in our own backfield.
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I don't think I've seen us run a screen to Ingram.

I know PT is THE man regarding screen pass success in the entire league, not just on the Saints, but we really need some 'misdirection' to our play calling
Exactly. Ant opposing Defenses know all of this.

I could be Completely wrong because I am going off memory... I think I remember GW's defenses hoping around the field as much as possible before the snap. Presently i think we line up and stay that way.. QB's no longer have to guess much.
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Re: Mark Ingram's Woes

When he comes into the game, it always is that same one play, up the middle, smacking into Bushrod or DeLa Puente. And for some reason when he is in there in the backfield, it looks like a completely different team out there than the Saints we're used to. He's not integrated into the existing offense at all -- it's this weird thing where everybody on the team stops what they're doing, and says to defense, OKAY, NOW WE'RE LINING UP TO DO THE INGRAM PLAY. And then they go back to looking like the Saints again, as soon as he jogs off.

It's actually a momentum killer! I think it's part of the mystery of the 3-and-outs and why they're happening. It's the entirely predictable playcalling. At first I thought they might be trying to lull defenses to sleep with Ingram, and saving some of the screens and splashy Ingram plays for later in the year, division games and so forth... but with our record, that time has already come and gone -- if they have something up their sleeve with him, they need to do it NOW.
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