I am ready to move on from Hartley

Srgt. Hulka · 10-01-2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Come on guys, 48 yard FG isn't a gimme and there is more than enough blame to go around for the loss.

I agree Buds, and I think most people here will too. I don't blame Hartley for the loss. There is plenty of blame to go around for that. What I do blame Hartley for is missing the field goal...again. That's his job. Like I posted earlier, I have been one of the biggest Hartley defenders and supporters for a long time on this board, but I can't defend him any more. He's too big of a liability. IMO

reggiedude · 10-01-2012, 08:42 AM

Hartley needs to go, they are not putting Sproles in a position to make plays like last year, don't have Payton calling the plays.

TheOak · 10-01-2012, 08:42 AM

I do not blame Hartley for the loss either.

I blame Hartley for not winning it. There is a difference.

Halo · 10-01-2012, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Are we cutting Sproles too for droping the 3rd and 4 pass from Brees that would have kept the drive alive instead of forcing the long FG?
Come on guys, 48 yard FG isn't a gimme and there is more than enough blame to go around for the loss. I guess the Giants are cutting their kicker for missing last night and Pats kicker for missing 2 of them yesterday. How about we catch the dam ball and only let the kicker kick extra points.

Again, this isn't about just the game yesterday. You know well kicker is a totally different position than runningback. Kickers are journeymen in the NFL, that's their profession. There are always 2 or 3 kickers every season sitting on standby waiting for a call for their 2nd, 3rd, 10th, 12th chance at success again.

When Hartley started missing last season, Payton and Loomis pulled in Kasey fast. Kicker is not a position teams draft and pay big payouts for a guy to just sit on staff.

I disagree that 48 isn't a gimme in the NFL. Kicks below 50 are expected. It's the pros.

He already missed this season from within 39-30 range and another 40+ yarder. Why do people keep apologizing for this guy?

Mardigras9 · 10-01-2012, 08:47 AM

Tampa Bay kicks a FG to win, Atlanta kicks a FG to win, Saints ? Knew he would miss the second try, he is a head case. Too bad after how great he was in the superbowl run.

Danno · 10-01-2012, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Tampa Bay kicks a FG to win, Atlanta kicks a FG to win, Saints ? Knew he would miss the second try, he is a head case. Too bad after how great he was in the superbowl run.

Well technically the Skins came back and kicked the game winner against TB, but your point remains. Tampa's kicker nailed it (a 47 yarder)

Joker · 10-01-2012, 08:53 AM

Even if he makes it there is still 2 minutes or a little more on the clock, I believe Rogers marches them right down the field for a TD. The defense gave him all day with resemblance of a rush what so ever.
IMO the mistake was made much. Earlier in the game kicking a FG from the 3 or something like that instead of going for it, to that point GB hadn't even punted.LOOK HARD AT THE COACHING DECISIONS IN THAT GAME

Mardigras9 · 10-01-2012, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Well technically the Skins came back and kicked the game winner against TB, but your point remains. Tampa's kicker nailed it (a 47 yarder)

Even better.

TheOak · 10-01-2012, 09:34 AM

Kickers win the game... They do not lose it, it is a position of opportunity, except for extra points.

If a game comes down to 3 or less points the loss is on the defense and or offense.

We just do not have a game winning kicker.

73Saint · 10-01-2012, 09:42 AM

I'd have more confidence in Morestead kicking. Or hell, cut Hartley for an extra roster spot and go for two from here on out (kidding, sort of).

10-01-2012, 08:40 AM	#61
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Come on guys, 48 yard FG isn't a gimme and there is more than enough blame to go around for the loss. I agree Buds, and I think most people here will too. I don't blame Hartley for the loss. There is plenty of blame to go around for that. What I do blame Hartley for is missing the field goal...again. That's his job. Like I posted earlier, I have been one of the biggest Hartley defenders and supporters for a long time on this board, but I can't defend him any more. He's too big of a liability. IMO

10-01-2012, 08:42 AM	#62
reggiedude Registered Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 76	Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley Hartley needs to go, they are not putting Sproles in a position to make plays like last year, don't have Payton calling the plays.
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10-01-2012, 08:42 AM	#63
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley I do not blame Hartley for the loss either. I blame Hartley for not winning it. There is a difference. AlaskaSaints and Mikemike like this.

10-01-2012, 08:46 AM	#64
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,565 Blog Entries: 45	Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Are we cutting Sproles too for droping the 3rd and 4 pass from Brees that would have kept the drive alive instead of forcing the long FG? Come on guys, 48 yard FG isn't a gimme and there is more than enough blame to go around for the loss. I guess the Giants are cutting their kicker for missing last night and Pats kicker for missing 2 of them yesterday. How about we catch the dam ball and only let the kicker kick extra points. Again, this isn't about just the game yesterday. You know well kicker is a totally different position than runningback. Kickers are journeymen in the NFL, that's their profession. There are always 2 or 3 kickers every season sitting on standby waiting for a call for their 2nd, 3rd, 10th, 12th chance at success again. When Hartley started missing last season, Payton and Loomis pulled in Kasey fast. Kicker is not a position teams draft and pay big payouts for a guy to just sit on staff. I disagree that 48 isn't a gimme in the NFL. Kicks below 50 are expected. It's the pros. He already missed this season from within 39-30 range and another 40+ yarder. Why do people keep apologizing for this guy?
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10-01-2012, 08:47 AM	#65
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley Tampa Bay kicks a FG to win, Atlanta kicks a FG to win, Saints ? Knew he would miss the second try, he is a head case. Too bad after how great he was in the superbowl run.

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10-01-2012, 08:50 AM	#66
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Tampa Bay kicks a FG to win, Atlanta kicks a FG to win, Saints ? Knew he would miss the second try, he is a head case. Too bad after how great he was in the superbowl run. Well technically the Skins came back and kicked the game winner against TB, but your point remains. Tampa's kicker nailed it (a 47 yarder)

10-01-2012, 08:53 AM	#67
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley Even if he makes it there is still 2 minutes or a little more on the clock, I believe Rogers marches them right down the field for a TD. The defense gave him all day with resemblance of a rush what so ever. IMO the mistake was made much. Earlier in the game kicking a FG from the 3 or something like that instead of going for it, to that point GB hadn't even punted.LOOK HARD AT THE COACHING DECISIONS IN THAT GAME

10-01-2012, 08:59 AM	#68
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley Originally Posted by Danno Well technically the Skins came back and kicked the game winner against TB, but your point remains. Tampa's kicker nailed it (a 47 yarder) Even better.

10-01-2012, 09:34 AM	#69
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley Kickers win the game... They do not lose it, it is a position of opportunity, except for extra points. If a game comes down to 3 or less points the loss is on the defense and or offense. We just do not have a game winning kicker.

10-01-2012, 09:42 AM	#70
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley I'd have more confidence in Morestead kicking. Or hell, cut Hartley for an extra roster spot and go for two from here on out (kidding, sort of). TheOak and Mikemike like this.

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