Is the Saints’ offense ruining Mark Ingram?:

TheOak · 10-04-2012, 10:19 AM

The answer to the OP is, no more than we ruined Bush.

TheOak · 10-03-2012, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Mikemike

If it's 1st and 10, Ingram will get you 2 yards..If it's 3rd and 3....Ingram will get you 2 yards.
Run blocking is as basic as football can get. Ingram is a good back but slamming him up the middle on obvious running plays will never work.
We're being outcoached and our play calling in certain situations is so basic (and predictable) it's almost like high school.

The irony in that... He is a guaranteed 2 yards nearly... 4th and 1.. We pass. 1/2/3 and goal on the 2 yard line, we pass.

TheOak · 10-04-2012, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Mikemike

That's all about brees and extending his records...and not necessarily just the unitas one.

I do not agree, he already had a TD in that game and a 2 yard pass doesn't boost any records.

Shoe. · 10-04-2012, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I do not agree, he already had a TD in that game and a 2 yard pass doesn't boost any records.

Yes, especially when

A) Saints are on the 4 yard line w/ goal to go

B) Ingram average 2.5 YPC

DO THE MATH.

yet we passed three times using the excuse, "Brees was hot."

Ask any successful blackjack player or gambler about "getting hot" versus playing the statistics and they'll tell you that in the end, the statistics fail far less than a "hot streak" does.

TheOak · 10-04-2012, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Shoe.

Yes, especially when

A) Saints are on the 4 yard line w/ goal to go

B) Ingram average 2.5 YPC

DO THE MATH.

yet we passed three times using the excuse, "Brees was hot."

Ask any successful blackjack player or gambler about "getting hot" versus playing the statistics and they'll tell you that in the end, the statistics fail far less than a "hot streak" does.

I am not sure what in sam hill you are talking about... I simply stated I do not think he was throwing to boost stats or effect records.

Brees is always "hot" when he is not running for his life.. His receivers hands... well that looks like hot potato lately.

10-04-2012, 10:19 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Is the Saints’ offense ruining Mark Ingram?: The answer to the OP is, no more than we ruined Bush.

10-03-2012, 07:25 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Is the Saints’ offense ruining Mark Ingram?: Originally Posted by Mikemike If it's 1st and 10, Ingram will get you 2 yards..If it's 3rd and 3....Ingram will get you 2 yards. Run blocking is as basic as football can get. Ingram is a good back but slamming him up the middle on obvious running plays will never work. We're being outcoached and our play calling in certain situations is so basic (and predictable) it's almost like high school. The irony in that... He is a guaranteed 2 yards nearly... 4th and 1.. We pass. 1/2/3 and goal on the 2 yard line, we pass. Shoe. and Joker like this.

10-04-2012, 10:20 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Is the Saints’ offense ruining Mark Ingram?: Originally Posted by Mikemike That's all about brees and extending his records...and not necessarily just the unitas one. I do not agree, he already had a TD in that game and a 2 yard pass doesn't boost any records. Shoe. likes this.

10-04-2012, 10:25 AM	#4
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Is the Saints’ offense ruining Mark Ingram?: Originally Posted by x626xBlack I do not agree, he already had a TD in that game and a 2 yard pass doesn't boost any records. Yes, especially when A) Saints are on the 4 yard line w/ goal to go B) Ingram average 2.5 YPC DO THE MATH. yet we passed three times using the excuse, "Brees was hot." Ask any successful blackjack player or gambler about "getting hot" versus playing the statistics and they'll tell you that in the end, the statistics fail far less than a "hot streak" does.

10-04-2012, 12:29 PM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Is the Saints’ offense ruining Mark Ingram?: Originally Posted by Shoe. Yes, especially when A) Saints are on the 4 yard line w/ goal to go B) Ingram average 2.5 YPC DO THE MATH. yet we passed three times using the excuse, "Brees was hot." Ask any successful blackjack player or gambler about "getting hot" versus playing the statistics and they'll tell you that in the end, the statistics fail far less than a "hot streak" does. I am not sure what in sam hill you are talking about... I simply stated I do not think he was throwing to boost stats or effect records. Brees is always "hot" when he is not running for his life.. His receivers hands... well that looks like hot potato lately.

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