Saints Find Cure For Losing - Running Game

jeanpierre · 10-08-2012, 07:24 AM

Boy the Bolts really started respecting that play action passing game as it really opened things up again, even being down a few targets...

And that defense looked fresh at the end of the game...

You'd think an OL Coach would love to just line up and smash people in the mouth especially with teams like the Eagles, Falcons X2, and the 49ers on the schedule...

You've got Evans and Grubs with big money - Use Them!

We better find our way to playing physical football or this love fest is gonna be gone faster than Reese's PB Pumpkins at Ole Lady Boudreaux's House on Halloween!

TheOak · 10-08-2012, 07:26 AM

Two seperate people did the play calling last night...

x- first 3 qtrs
y- Last qtr

It was like night and day.

xan · 10-08-2012, 09:06 AM

Low standards, I see. 53 yards on 21 rushes is somewhat on the non-existent end of a "rushing game"

spkb25 · 10-08-2012, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by xan

Low standards, I see. 53 yards on 21 rushes is somewhat on the non-existent end of a "rushing game"

I don't think he is talking the entire game, and maybe I am wrong? I thought he was referencing the 4rth quarter. You are right, we looked bad, bad, bad running the ball early. Things did pick up in the 4rth for us. We opened some holes and had some decent runs.

I have no idea if the team we saw last night, the one that started feeling it like they used to will show up again. We can only hope, and see what happens after the bye. I hope we find a way to run the ball because we sure need to.

papz · 10-08-2012, 09:15 AM

I'm not concerned with the YPC. You have to make them respect the fact you want to run the ball regardless if you're gaining big chunks of yards. You can't utilize play action passes effectively if teams don't actually believe you're going to run the ball. You also aren't going to wear their defense down unless you're hitting them consistently throughout the game. So while the YPC looked terrible, it opened up plays downfield for our receivers and wore their defensive line down.

arsaint · 10-08-2012, 10:40 AM

More than the yards was the attitude PT was running with. You could tell he WANTED that win bad...

Danno · 10-08-2012, 11:20 AM

Yea I'm not seeing it.

21 rushes, 53 yards, 2.5 avg

Thats no different than last week, or the week before.

TheOak · 10-08-2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Yea I'm not seeing it.

21 rushes, 53 yards, 2.5 avg

Thats no different than last week, or the week before.

You know better than that..

Second 1/2 told a different story... Qtrs 1/2 were a recipe for 0-5.

Second 1/2 Thomas had 9 runs for 63 yards ave 7 YPC.

For the season.. it seems we are once again a second half team. Especially PT
Season PT Stats
1st half - 17 att 56 yards 3.3 YPC 1 TD
2nd half - 20 att 126 yards 6.3 YPC 3 TD

Most people are of the mind we abandon the run in the second half because we have been behind. We actually run and score better in the second half this season.

Danno · 10-08-2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

You know better than that..

Second 1/2 told a different story... Qtrs 1/2 were a recipe for 0-5.

Second 1/2 Thomas had 9 runs for 63 yards ave 7 YPC.

For the season.. it seems we are once again a second half team. Especially PT
Season PT Stats
1st half - 17 att 56 yards 3.3 YPC 1 TD
2nd half - 20 att 126 yards 6.3 YPC 3 TD

Most people are of the mind we abandon the run in the second half because we have been behind. We actually run and score better in the second half this season.

C'mon, you should know better than that. His stats are skewed by the 48 yard run against Carolina. That was really the only game that separated PT and Ingram. Other than that they are nearly identical in the run game.

In fact, take away that one run and PT's averaging 4.11 yards per carry in the 2nd half this season.

Take away that game, and PT's averaging 3.3 yards per carry in 4 games.

Its not the RB thats the problem with our run game, its the blocking.

TheOak · 10-08-2012, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

C'mon, you should know better than that. His stats are skewed by the 48 yard run against Carolina. That was really the only game that separated PT and Ingram. Other than that they are nearly identical in the run game.

In fact, take away that one run and PT's averaging 4.11 yards per carry in the 2nd half this season.

Take away that game, and PT's averaging 3.3 yards per carry in 4 games.

Its not the RB thats the problem with our run game, its the blocking.

If you are going to average a truncated (trimmed) mean then you must also remove the low... Not just the high.

Too many variables to lay blame on the 0-line by the stats of just one RB. Style, ability, and situational utilization play a part in that.

Team Ave for the season is 3.9 YPC (18th)
Texans are ave 3.7 YPC. (23rd)

10-08-2012, 07:24 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Saints Find Cure For Losing - Running Game Boy the Bolts really started respecting that play action passing game as it really opened things up again, even being down a few targets... And that defense looked fresh at the end of the game... You'd think an OL Coach would love to just line up and smash people in the mouth especially with teams like the Eagles, Falcons X2, and the 49ers on the schedule... You've got Evans and Grubs with big money - Use Them! We better find our way to playing physical football or this love fest is gonna be gone faster than Reese's PB Pumpkins at Ole Lady Boudreaux's House on Halloween!
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10-08-2012, 07:26 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Saints Find Cure For Losing - Running Game Two seperate people did the play calling last night... x- first 3 qtrs y- Last qtr It was like night and day.

10-08-2012, 09:06 AM	#3
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,372 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Saints Find Cure For Losing - Running Game Low standards, I see. 53 yards on 21 rushes is somewhat on the non-existent end of a "rushing game"

10-08-2012, 09:17 AM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Saints Find Cure For Losing - Running Game Originally Posted by xan Low standards, I see. 53 yards on 21 rushes is somewhat on the non-existent end of a "rushing game" I don't think he is talking the entire game, and maybe I am wrong? I thought he was referencing the 4rth quarter. You are right, we looked bad, bad, bad running the ball early. Things did pick up in the 4rth for us. We opened some holes and had some decent runs. I have no idea if the team we saw last night, the one that started feeling it like they used to will show up again. We can only hope, and see what happens after the bye. I hope we find a way to run the ball because we sure need to.
	Your team stinks

10-08-2012, 09:15 AM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Saints Find Cure For Losing - Running Game I'm not concerned with the YPC. You have to make them respect the fact you want to run the ball regardless if you're gaining big chunks of yards. You can't utilize play action passes effectively if teams don't actually believe you're going to run the ball. You also aren't going to wear their defense down unless you're hitting them consistently throughout the game. So while the YPC looked terrible, it opened up plays downfield for our receivers and wore their defensive line down. frydaddy likes this.

10-08-2012, 10:40 AM	#6
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,732	Re: Saints Find Cure For Losing - Running Game More than the yards was the attitude PT was running with. You could tell he WANTED that win bad... TXGSP, st thomas and SaintsBro like this.

10-08-2012, 11:20 AM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Saints Find Cure For Losing - Running Game Yea I'm not seeing it. 21 rushes, 53 yards, 2.5 avg Thats no different than last week, or the week before. mutineer10 likes this.

10-08-2012, 11:46 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Saints Find Cure For Losing - Running Game Originally Posted by Danno Yea I'm not seeing it. 21 rushes, 53 yards, 2.5 avg Thats no different than last week, or the week before. You know better than that.. Second 1/2 told a different story... Qtrs 1/2 were a recipe for 0-5. Second 1/2 Thomas had 9 runs for 63 yards ave 7 YPC. For the season.. it seems we are once again a second half team. Especially PT Season PT Stats 1st half - 17 att 56 yards 3.3 YPC 1 TD 2nd half - 20 att 126 yards 6.3 YPC 3 TD Most people are of the mind we abandon the run in the second half because we have been behind. We actually run and score better in the second half this season.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

10-08-2012, 01:37 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Saints Find Cure For Losing - Running Game Originally Posted by x626xBlack You know better than that.. Second 1/2 told a different story... Qtrs 1/2 were a recipe for 0-5. Second 1/2 Thomas had 9 runs for 63 yards ave 7 YPC. For the season.. it seems we are once again a second half team. Especially PT Season PT Stats 1st half - 17 att 56 yards 3.3 YPC 1 TD 2nd half - 20 att 126 yards 6.3 YPC 3 TD Most people are of the mind we abandon the run in the second half because we have been behind. We actually run and score better in the second half this season. C'mon, you should know better than that. His stats are skewed by the 48 yard run against Carolina. That was really the only game that separated PT and Ingram. Other than that they are nearly identical in the run game. In fact, take away that one run and PT's averaging 4.11 yards per carry in the 2nd half this season. Take away that game, and PT's averaging 3.3 yards per carry in 4 games. Its not the RB thats the problem with our run game, its the blocking.

10-08-2012, 01:59 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Saints Find Cure For Losing - Running Game Originally Posted by Danno C'mon, you should know better than that. His stats are skewed by the 48 yard run against Carolina. That was really the only game that separated PT and Ingram. Other than that they are nearly identical in the run game. In fact, take away that one run and PT's averaging 4.11 yards per carry in the 2nd half this season. Take away that game, and PT's averaging 3.3 yards per carry in 4 games. Its not the RB thats the problem with our run game, its the blocking. If you are going to average a truncated (trimmed) mean then you must also remove the low... Not just the high. Too many variables to lay blame on the 0-line by the stats of just one RB. Style, ability, and situational utilization play a part in that. Team Ave for the season is 3.9 YPC (18th) Texans are ave 3.7 YPC. (23rd)

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