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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Jarrett Bell, USA TODAY Sports Regardless of the league's sloppy investigation, questionable evidence, legal battles and the tremendous hits on Goodell's credibility in recent months, the NFL commissioner could not back down now. Not after a CBA appeals panel, which ...

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Old 10-10-2012, 02:09 AM   #1
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Credibility weakened, Goodell couldn't back down

Jarrett Bell, USA TODAY Sports

Regardless of the league's sloppy investigation, questionable evidence, legal battles and the tremendous hits on Goodell's credibility in recent months, the NFL commissioner could not back down now.
Not after a CBA appeals panel, which forced him to reconsider the previous discipline, upheld his authority to rule based on "conduct detrimental to the game."
WHAT'S NEXT? This is going back to court


Remember when the league announced its findings in March? It said 22 to 27 players were involved. Just four were punished. One day, Vitt's name showed up on the typed transcript of a ledger as one pledging $5,000 for a bounty on Brett Favre. The next day, the league said it was a mistake. That's some typo.

Sloppy. Like the charge by NFL investigators that Hargrove was seen on a video uttering "pay me my money" when Favre was briefly knocked out of the 2009 NFC title game. Turns out, that probably wasn't Hargrove's voice — or least there's no proof.
Then there's the whistle-blower, Mike Cerullo.
The former, low-ranking coaching assistant is viewed with suspicion by the defense because he was fired by the Saints. But he was so crucial to the league's investigation.


The holes in this case did no good for Goodell's reputation. In a recent Gallup poll conducted for USA TODAY Sports, Goodell was the least-liked commissioner among those running the four major pro sports leagues.
But he still has his power to rule in what he deems to be the best interests of the game. While the players grumble about this, shifting some of that authority would have been a deal killer in the last round of labor talks.
Fat chance that power is up for renegotiation now.
Bell: Credibility weakened, Goodell couldn't back down



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Old 10-10-2012, 03:11 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint View Post
Here's a video of Dunta Robinson spearing two wide receivers.

Dunta Robinson Illegal Helmet To Helmet Hit On Jeremy Maclin Falcons Vs Eagles - YouTube

Sure looks like he's using this helmet as a weapon to lay out those receivers.

League must've thought so too. They fined him $25,000 for the first one and $40,000 for the second one.

And coach Mike Smith's response to reporters about the hits was "That's the way we teach it"
And in neither case, the word spearing didn't come up. In the Jackson hit, it was for hitting a "defenseless" receiver, and in the Maclin case, it was for a helmet to helmet hit and for hitting a defenseless receiver. Against Jackson, it wasn't even a helmet to helmet hit, nor did he makes initial contact with his helmet, so again, it isn't spearing.

And of course, Smith's quote is in reference to hitting "defenseless" receivers, not making helmet to helmet hits, which again only happened on one of those plays.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:51 AM   #3
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Dunta Robinson never speared any WR.
Oh, oh.. I missed this before my last response. You have got to be kidding me.
Someone already posted the video. We know he was warned for one, then fined big for a second, then fined even more for a 3rd, in a sapn of 4-5 games.

It is pointless to talk to you any further.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:46 PM   #4
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You still haven't explained to me Guido the difference between paying to injure and paying for cart-offs. I've never seen a non-injured player get carted off the field. It's like if I told you I was going to have you put in a body bag, but denying that it means I'm going to have you killed.
Paying to injure as Goodell initially defined it was that the Saints intentionally set out to injure players.

If you would take the time to pull your head out of your ass you would realize that the definition of a "cartoff" by everyone involved is a player that missed a play due to a hard hit. Paying to injure means trying to injure a player, not trying to hurt a player. Every time a defensive player hits the field his job is to HURT the opponent. If the HURT he puts on that opponent takes him out of the game for a play or more, so much the better. The Saints, like most other teams in the league, had a pot that rewarded those legal hard hits.

I know you are much smarter than you put on here and know the difference.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:19 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Radical View Post
You still haven't explained to me Guido the difference between paying to injure and paying for cart-offs. I've never seen a non-injured player get carted off the field. It's like if I told you I was going to have you put in a body bag, but denying that it means I'm going to have you killed.
Live people end up in body bags all the time.. Maybe you are a movie director and that is part of the script?


Then again dead people end up in body bags all of the time also when there was no intent to kill. That is called collateral damage... or in some less dramatic situations, natural causes.

That being said you need to be banned for a period of 8 games for telling someone you could tell someone else to kill them... And for attempting to put a forum member in a body bag... they could suffocate you know? <---- Sucks azz being on the receiving end of Goodell reasoning doesn't it?

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Old 10-09-2012, 06:54 PM   #6
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Hey at least he waited till we won a game right? What a douche.
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Because Vlima's twitter is always awesome.

Just woke up from a nap. this is not news to me pride won't let him admit he's wrong. guy died from a roach eating contest, now that's news
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:27 PM   #8
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I hate Roger Godell do you really think he took the time and looked at the evidence. It was a waste of time for the players and why some get reduced and not all of them.
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:42 PM   #9
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So I'm guessing this is going back to court right?
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So I'm guessing this is going back to court right?
Yup. Goodell knew that all along and that is why he played it the way he did. He threw a couple of people under the bus along the way and neither of them are who you might suspect.

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