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MatthewT 10-11-2012 03:23 AM
Re: Does La. really like the Mannings?
 
Archie Manning got very little help during his beginning in New Orleans. Eventually, Hank Stram and Dick Nolan both pretty much understood that Manning is not a savior on his own, he needed help. Stram drafted Muncie and Galbreath and provided Manning with a lethal running game in 76, and in 78 Dick Nolan drafted Wes Chandler. By the time things turned OK, Manning in the 78 and 79 season put up his best numbers. Too bad the defense was so freaking horrible. Things were looking way up for Manning, then the team went through a horrible drug scandal and basically fell apart. 1980 was the 1-15 season and Buddy D invented the bags... Bum Phillips was hired in 81 and decided that Manning was through in New Orleans, that Manning did not fit his plans. As much crap as Bum took for that decision, it was actually the correct decision. Manning was washed up, never won another game in the NFL, with both Houston and Minnesota.

Euphoria 10-11-2012 04:43 AM
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I disagree that Bum was correct.

If I recall Bum was run out of town like everyone else who ever coached their.

If he was correct he would have at least made it to the NFC Championship without Manning.

TheOak 10-11-2012 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 448463)
I imagine if this was 10-20 years ago, WWLTV and other media would try to hype them up as being some elite player like they use to do with other teams players, Pro or College, they did it with Jake Delhomme some years back because he was from Louisiana.

But in reality, no one cares for the Mannings, doubt anyone cares for Delhomme.

Its all media created, Media like WWLTV and WDSU back in the day is what put the Saints so far back from having a successful team because Benson and the FO kept listening to their suggestions, mostly Buddy D, once Buddy D croaked, the Saints started Winning.
It's not ALL media hype. It is somewhat media steered.

I'm from Abbeville/Lafayette, Jake went to USL the same time I did. It's a homeboy love. The day Jake signed with the Panthers a large % of people from the area became Panthers fans because they were homeboy fans, not Saints fans. There was a lot of hating of the Saints going on because the Saints "wouldn't give Jake a chance".

I'm a Saints fan, not a player fan. If Drew went to another team I wouldn't give two sh1tz about him. And no, I wouldn't view him as a traitor, he would just no longer be a Saint.

You are correct about the Saints hanging on to players because they were "their guy". Not because they were the best for the team.

skymike 10-11-2012 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by OldMaid (Post 448452)
... I think AM and DB are good ambassadors of N.O. , you know, helps put N.O. in a better light.
nice. Its good to have you on the B&G, Brina.

jeanpierre 10-11-2012 05:08 PM
Re: Does La. really like the Mannings?
 
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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 448505)
...Bum Phillips was hired in 81 and decided that Manning was through in New Orleans, that Manning did not fit his plans. As much crap as Bum took for that decision, it was actually the correct decision. Manning was washed up, never won another game in the NFL, with both Houston and Minnesota.
Gotta take issue with that statement...

First problem was John Mecom, Jr - a spoiled, immature team owner who never showed responsibility in his life and nearly got Manning killed because of his limited vision at the box office and failure to invest in the team's success (surrounding Manning with talent) so that it could truly grow...

Second problem was Bum Phillips - who had no clue of what talent he had in Manning nor the insight to hire the staff around him to take advantage of what he had...

pumpkindriver 10-12-2012 12:27 AM
Re: Does La. really like the Mannings?
 
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 448148)
The fact that they grew up in LA and never really considered LSU rubs me the wrong way. I do hate Ole Miss... And I have no idea how Peyton wound up at Tennessee. I find all three of the Manning QB's to be a group of stiffs. They lack personality, but are constantly on tv trying to manufacture some sort of image of being "humorous". And I agree with Black that Peyton and Eli tend to throw tantrums... Also, Eli sounds like a 5 year old.

Other than that, I'm a huge fan.
Let me take a minute to explain why the Manning sons never considered going to LSU. Archie went to Ole Miss. The entire state of Mississippi was nuts about him. He became a folk hero in our state. LSU is the biggest rival outside of the state for Ole Miss. So obviously Cooper, Peyton and Eli could not attend LSU.
Peyton ended up at Tennesee because OleMiss was under NCAA sanctions and Billy Brewer has just been fired. So Peyton couldn't go to Ole Miss and couldn't go to LSU, so Tennesee was where he ended up. Cutcliffe was Peyton's offensive coordinator so when he became the head coach at Ole Miss, this made it a lot more attractive to Eli so he followed in his father's footsteps and there at Ole Miss, Eli was king. So now I hope y'all understand why no one in the Manning family went to or played for LSU and why none of their future offspring ever will.

pumpkindriver 10-12-2012 12:44 AM
Re: Does La. really like the Mannings?
 
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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 448505)
Archie Manning got very little help during his beginning in New Orleans. Eventually, Hank Stram and Dick Nolan both pretty much understood that Manning is not a savior on his own, he needed help. Stram drafted Muncie and Galbreath and provided Manning with a lethal running game in 76, and in 78 Dick Nolan drafted Wes Chandler. By the time things turned OK, Manning in the 78 and 79 season put up his best numbers. Too bad the defense was so freaking horrible. Things were looking way up for Manning, then the team went through a horrible drug scandal and basically fell apart. 1980 was the 1-15 season and Buddy D invented the bags... Bum Phillips was hired in 81 and decided that Manning was through in New Orleans, that Manning did not fit his plans. As much crap as Bum took for that decision, it was actually the correct decision. Manning was washed up, never won another game in the NFL, with both Houston and Minnesota.
He never got much of a chance with those other teams, both of which were awful at the time, but as far as Him being washed up, just look at this at the 4:39 mark. There was plenty of gas in the tank.

MatthewT 10-12-2012 01:34 AM
Re: Does La. really like the Mannings?
 
That play was awesome and I have seen it many times before. Manning was traded in 1982 after the 1st game of the season. Go check out the game logs for every game he played in after leaving the Saints and come to your own conclusion. To me, he was washed. Matter of fact his play in 81 was a steep decline compared to the 80 season.

Saint_LB 10-12-2012 10:22 AM
Re: Does La. really like the Mannings?
 
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Originally Posted by pumpkindriver (Post 448764)
He never got much of a chance with those other teams, both of which were awful at the time, but as far as Him being washed up, just look at this at the 4:39 mark. There was plenty of gas in the tank.
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I didn't look, because I wanna guess first. I'm guessing it's the underhand toss to Renfro.

Mardigras9 10-12-2012 12:24 PM
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Archie was a Saint QB and that's the love for him. Peyton and Eli are sidebars, don't really care what they have done football wise. They love the city of New Orleans and that's good with me.


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