Vilma to make his debut against Bucs

10-18-2012, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Stealthman

Anybody remember that TD-saving deflection he made in SB XLIV? Had that been Scott Shanle... well: TD!

Go hard Vilma - YouTube

Yes, but we cant keep holding on to a handfull of great plays in big games or SB.. much like holding on to Hartley for 1 kick, Porter for a SB int...

Players preform differently in prime time... We have to get there first. That can only be done with consistent play week in and out.... If they do that like we did in 09' THEN they can pull off the big ones in prime time.

If it were not for Sharpers consisted INTs during the regular season, we may have not made it to the SB.
We beat the Jets by 10 Sharper has 2 INT 1 pick 6
Mia beat by 12 Sharper had 1 INT (Pick 6)
Beat TB by 3 Sharper had an INT
Sharper had 3 pick 6s out of 9 INTs in 2009.

Did we have a great Defense? No they were ranked 25th we did have 26 Interceptions. we had 18 total in 10'/11' combined.

Catch is Sharper played the ball... What we have now plays the receiver... but I digress...

We need consistent play, (Sharper was dominant for a whole season)... Most people just remember Porters INT in the SB... we cant continue to just hold on to a guy because we remember 4 big plays in 3 years.

I presume a lot of this comes from being the Saints... Someone does better than the rest a few times and he is golden...

neugey · 10-18-2012, 08:37 AM

Freeman better watch out for Vilma ... Vilma is going to be imagining Freeman as Roger Goodell who said something bad about his mama. Can we get Henry Winkler to coach for one game?

SaintsBro · 10-18-2012, 08:40 AM

Man, Black, you are just Captain Buzzkill about Vilma these days! How about we let the man get back to practice, let him fit in with the new D, let him get back on the field,THEN we decide whether to put him out to pasture or not. You're not even giving him a chance to prove himself after his rehab!

I get what you are saying, on principle, there's definitely times to move on, but man. When people get too extreme with the "what have you done for me lately?" posture, then you end up firing Payton after a disappointing 2007, Darren Sharper would probably never even BE here, and we end up passing on Brees in favor of God knows what else at QB. Let the Vilma story play out. The dude is one of our major players, back from a major injury, and a key person for leadership on the team -- if people here in fanland want to be excited about it, I think that's great.

I am especially looking for leadership from Vilma these next few weeks because as has been pointed out, he has A Ring, and a lot of the young dudes on our defense will look up to that and perhaps be inspired by it. And if the added competition makes our other linebackers step their games up, then right now that's cool too. We need all the help and swagger we can get.

TheOak · 10-18-2012, 09:33 AM

My soapbox was not about Vilma in particular... it was in general, and more towards players like Hartley, Bush, Porter.. Closer to 1 hit wonders.

In regards to Vilma, yes... He needs to play, he needs to replace Shanle ASAP. But ASAP doesn't mean he is ready to play just because the league is allowing it. If Vilma is not ready.. he could actually do worse than Shanle.

I sort of hope Vilma's first game running out of a tunnel is a home game... The crowd will erupt into a standing ovation and Goodell can crawl back into his own arse.

I have no intent of putting him out to pasture. I like Vilma, but not because of 4-5 plays. I like him because of his entire body of work for the Saints since 08.

Mardigras9 · 10-18-2012, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

If Vilma is not ready.. he could actually do worse than Shanle.

I keep reading this, but I just can't seem to comprehend it?
LOL, Is it even possible?

TheOak · 10-18-2012, 12:48 PM

Shanle may not be productive and is sometimes out of position... He has been practicing and working with in this system for a few months now.

Vilma not knowing it first hand means he will be out of position a hell of a lot more.

Look at it this way. We have some fairly sharp people on the defense... maybe not the most gifted athletically but they are fairly sharp. After 5 weeks they are still not up to speed on where they need to be 30% of the time.

Vilma walking on the field now being basically where the team was at week 1 is a liability.. He is athletically superior to Shanle... Shanle has more experience in this program.

Vilma needs at LEAST a week in pads at full throttle so he can start to read and react to not be out of position.

Mardigras9 · 10-18-2012, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Shanle may not be productive and is sometimes out of position... He has been practicing and working with in this system for a few months now.

Vilma not knowing it first hand means he will be out of position a hell of a lot more.

Look at it this way. We have some fairly sharp people on the defense... maybe not the most gifted athletically but they are fairly sharp. After 5 weeks they are still not up to speed on where they need to be 30% of the time.

Vilma walking on the field now being basically where the team was at week 1 is a liability.. He is athletically superior to Shanle... Shanle has more experience in this program.

Vilma needs at LEAST a week in pads at full throttle so he can start to read and react to not be out of position.

I do see your point. Hard to get past the Shanle factor though.

TheOak · 10-18-2012, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

I do see your point. Hard to get past the Shanle factor though.

I questioned my self a few times before I made that statement... trust me.

IF our defense had its feet underneath it right now. Being able to keep opposing teams under 350 ttl yards a game and under 20 points per game... I would say they could compensate.. I just don't see them being able to do that right now.

You know as well as I do they will pick on Vilma first week he plays because they know his chances to be out of position are good. We just cant afford another loss.

Mardigras9 · 10-18-2012, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I questioned my self a few times before I made that statement... trust me.

IF our defense had its feet underneath it right now. Being able to keep opposing teams under 350 ttl yards a game and under 20 points per game... I would say they could compensate.. I just don't see them being able to do that right now.

You know as well as I do they will pick on Vilma first week he plays because they know his chances to be out of position are good. We just cant afford another loss.

Maybe if he plays along side Shanle, and goes opposite from Shanle, he will be in position more times than not. Potential game-plan for Vilma? LOL

Danno · 10-18-2012, 01:12 PM

QB's are destroying our LB's in coverage with those short throws. Vilma is our best cover LB so it can only help.

10-18-2012, 08:13 AM	#51
Threaded by TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Stealthman Anybody remember that TD-saving deflection he made in SB XLIV? Had that been Scott Shanle... well: TD! Go hard Vilma - YouTube Yes, but we cant keep holding on to a handfull of great plays in big games or SB.. much like holding on to Hartley for 1 kick, Porter for a SB int... Players preform differently in prime time... We have to get there first. That can only be done with consistent play week in and out.... If they do that like we did in 09' THEN they can pull off the big ones in prime time. If it were not for Sharpers consisted INTs during the regular season, we may have not made it to the SB. We beat the Jets by 10 Sharper has 2 INT 1 pick 6 Mia beat by 12 Sharper had 1 INT (Pick 6) Beat TB by 3 Sharper had an INT Sharper had 3 pick 6s out of 9 INTs in 2009. Did we have a great Defense? No they were ranked 25th we did have 26 Interceptions. we had 18 total in 10'/11' combined. Catch is Sharper played the ball... What we have now plays the receiver... but I digress... We need consistent play, (Sharper was dominant for a whole season)... Most people just remember Porters INT in the SB... we cant continue to just hold on to a guy because we remember 4 big plays in 3 years. I presume a lot of this comes from being the Saints... Someone does better than the rest a few times and he is golden...
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10-18-2012, 08:37 AM	#52
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Vilma to make his debut against Bucs Freeman better watch out for Vilma ... Vilma is going to be imagining Freeman as Roger Goodell who said something bad about his mama. Can we get Henry Winkler to coach for one game?

10-18-2012, 08:40 AM	#53
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Vilma to make his debut against Bucs Man, Black, you are just Captain Buzzkill about Vilma these days! How about we let the man get back to practice, let him fit in with the new D, let him get back on the field,THEN we decide whether to put him out to pasture or not. You're not even giving him a chance to prove himself after his rehab! I get what you are saying, on principle, there's definitely times to move on, but man. When people get too extreme with the "what have you done for me lately?" posture, then you end up firing Payton after a disappointing 2007, Darren Sharper would probably never even BE here, and we end up passing on Brees in favor of God knows what else at QB. Let the Vilma story play out. The dude is one of our major players, back from a major injury, and a key person for leadership on the team -- if people here in fanland want to be excited about it, I think that's great. I am especially looking for leadership from Vilma these next few weeks because as has been pointed out, he has A Ring, and a lot of the young dudes on our defense will look up to that and perhaps be inspired by it. And if the added competition makes our other linebackers step their games up, then right now that's cool too. We need all the help and swagger we can get.

10-18-2012, 09:33 AM	#54
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Vilma to make his debut against Bucs My soapbox was not about Vilma in particular... it was in general, and more towards players like Hartley, Bush, Porter.. Closer to 1 hit wonders. In regards to Vilma, yes... He needs to play, he needs to replace Shanle ASAP. But ASAP doesn't mean he is ready to play just because the league is allowing it. If Vilma is not ready.. he could actually do worse than Shanle. I sort of hope Vilma's first game running out of a tunnel is a home game... The crowd will erupt into a standing ovation and Goodell can crawl back into his own arse. I have no intent of putting him out to pasture. I like Vilma, but not because of 4-5 plays. I like him because of his entire body of work for the Saints since 08. SaintsBro likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

10-18-2012, 12:40 PM	#55
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Vilma to make his debut against Bucs Originally Posted by x626xBlack If Vilma is not ready.. he could actually do worse than Shanle. I keep reading this, but I just can't seem to comprehend it? LOL, Is it even possible? Danno likes this.

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10-18-2012, 12:48 PM	#56
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Vilma to make his debut against Bucs Shanle may not be productive and is sometimes out of position... He has been practicing and working with in this system for a few months now. Vilma not knowing it first hand means he will be out of position a hell of a lot more. Look at it this way. We have some fairly sharp people on the defense... maybe not the most gifted athletically but they are fairly sharp. After 5 weeks they are still not up to speed on where they need to be 30% of the time. Vilma walking on the field now being basically where the team was at week 1 is a liability.. He is athletically superior to Shanle... Shanle has more experience in this program. Vilma needs at LEAST a week in pads at full throttle so he can start to read and react to not be out of position.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

10-18-2012, 12:50 PM	#57
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Vilma to make his debut against Bucs Originally Posted by x626xBlack Shanle may not be productive and is sometimes out of position... He has been practicing and working with in this system for a few months now. Vilma not knowing it first hand means he will be out of position a hell of a lot more. Look at it this way. We have some fairly sharp people on the defense... maybe not the most gifted athletically but they are fairly sharp. After 5 weeks they are still not up to speed on where they need to be 30% of the time. Vilma walking on the field now being basically where the team was at week 1 is a liability.. He is athletically superior to Shanle... Shanle has more experience in this program. Vilma needs at LEAST a week in pads at full throttle so he can start to read and react to not be out of position. I do see your point. Hard to get past the Shanle factor though.

10-18-2012, 12:54 PM	#58
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Vilma to make his debut against Bucs Originally Posted by Mardigras9 I do see your point. Hard to get past the Shanle factor though. I questioned my self a few times before I made that statement... trust me. IF our defense had its feet underneath it right now. Being able to keep opposing teams under 350 ttl yards a game and under 20 points per game... I would say they could compensate.. I just don't see them being able to do that right now. You know as well as I do they will pick on Vilma first week he plays because they know his chances to be out of position are good. We just cant afford another loss.

10-18-2012, 01:02 PM	#59
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Vilma to make his debut against Bucs Originally Posted by x626xBlack I questioned my self a few times before I made that statement... trust me. IF our defense had its feet underneath it right now. Being able to keep opposing teams under 350 ttl yards a game and under 20 points per game... I would say they could compensate.. I just don't see them being able to do that right now. You know as well as I do they will pick on Vilma first week he plays because they know his chances to be out of position are good. We just cant afford another loss. Maybe if he plays along side Shanle, and goes opposite from Shanle, he will be in position more times than not. Potential game-plan for Vilma? LOL

10-18-2012, 01:12 PM	#60
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Vilma to make his debut against Bucs QB's are destroying our LB's in coverage with those short throws. Vilma is our best cover LB so it can only help. FinSaint likes this.

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