Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season?

TheOak · 10-31-2012, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by 70saintsfan

Spags had all pre season, All the game Tape of previous seasons. Did he think Bunkley and 3 new Linebackers would make a big impact? He had to know we had no pass Rush. Why no trade in Pre Season ?

preseason doesn't tell you a whole lot, and years of tape in a different scheme doesn't tell you how they will preform in yours. Look at me post above this one... Who is going to give that $ for Smith or Ellis? No one... We are stuck with them until theur contracts are up. If you just cut them you still take the hit on the cap.

Rugby Saint II · 10-31-2012, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

preseason doesn't tell you a whole lot, and years of tape in a different scheme doesn't tell you how they will preform in yours. Look at me post above this one... Who is going to give that $ for Smith or Ellis? No one... We are stuck with them until theur contracts are up. If you just cut them you still take the hit on the cap.

Cut them both and the other over paid under achievers. Get them off the roster. First try to trade them for whatever you can get. If you can't get anything then cut them.
That will allow us to bring in several mid price FA's and hopefully some of them step up. But we need at least one to two impact players on defense through free agency.
The way things look now we will pick fairly high in the draft. I understand trading back and getting several more picks. But that doesn't get us any impact players early in the draft. If need be I'd move up to get that DT that we need to pair with Hicks.
As good as we find gems we need to really focus on defense 100% and bring in a couple of impact players through the draft.
Smith and Ellis need to be gone. That will open up those roster spots for competition and let the young guns fight it out in training camp.

SaintsBro · 10-31-2012, 07:12 AM

Oh I think he saw it coming and probably knew it -- that's why they were selling the "it takes time to learn Spags' complex system" and the "remember the '07 Giants started slow" Kool Aid to us so hard, they trotted that line out and that was their way of selling this defense to us from pretty much right back at the very beginning of the season. I think he knew, or had an inkling of what he in for, that it was going to be a seat-of-the-pants defense. But I honestly don't think he forecasted that it would be THIS bad.

It's like he came to New Orleans and bought a house with termites; and he keeps ripping stuff out and finding more problems and more tunnels and nests, and right now he's got to the point where he's just standing there in the driveway looking at it with his hands on his hips, saying Holy Crap.

He's probably not going to blow a gasket and have a meltdown at the podium and say what he really feels (at least I don't think he will) but you can tell his is perplexed and frustrated.

skymike · 10-31-2012, 07:36 AM

nobody's worth 100 million bucks.
not in this universe.

saintfan · 10-31-2012, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

nobody's worth 100 million bucks.
not in this universe.

I'm worth a hundred million...

...

...but I'm not from here...

Speedy Ron · 10-31-2012, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

nobody's worth 100 million bucks.
not in this universe.

I see your point. If he has 60 mil guaranteed why couldnt he just make a 60 mil contract all guaranteed. im sure theres waaay more to it but your right 100 mill is ALOT of money

neugey · 10-31-2012, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

nobody's worth 100 million bucks.
not in this universe.

Zooey might be

Shoe. · 10-31-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

It's like he came to New Orleans and bought a house with termites; and he keeps ripping stuff out and finding more problems and more tunnels and nests, and right now he's got to the point where he's just standing there in the driveway looking at it with his hands on his hips, saying Holy Crap.

lol another great analogy Bro

Budsdrinker · 10-31-2012, 10:17 AM

I think you are forgetting that we lost at least 3 defensive players in preseason that was looking good. Romeus, Chamberlain and Hawthorne. The only LB we acquired that's healthy is Lofton. Hawthorne might get on the field soon but Chamberlain and Romeus are done until next year. Can't blame Spags for that. We need some young blood at LB and DL and until that happens our D is going to struggle.

Vrillon82 · 10-31-2012, 10:28 AM

What gets to be a little startling in all of this is the fact that Spags took 2nd and 3rd string guys on Defense in St Louis and made them way better than what we are seeing are defense do. St Louis D was tons better under Spags than Saints D under Spags.

10-31-2012, 06:17 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? Originally Posted by 70saintsfan Spags had all pre season, All the game Tape of previous seasons. Did he think Bunkley and 3 new Linebackers would make a big impact? He had to know we had no pass Rush. Why no trade in Pre Season ? preseason doesn't tell you a whole lot, and years of tape in a different scheme doesn't tell you how they will preform in yours. Look at me post above this one... Who is going to give that $ for Smith or Ellis? No one... We are stuck with them until theur contracts are up. If you just cut them you still take the hit on the cap.

10-31-2012, 05:36 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? Originally Posted by x626xBlack preseason doesn't tell you a whole lot, and years of tape in a different scheme doesn't tell you how they will preform in yours. Look at me post above this one... Who is going to give that $ for Smith or Ellis? No one... We are stuck with them until theur contracts are up. If you just cut them you still take the hit on the cap. Cut them both and the other over paid under achievers. Get them off the roster. First try to trade them for whatever you can get. If you can't get anything then cut them. That will allow us to bring in several mid price FA's and hopefully some of them step up. But we need at least one to two impact players on defense through free agency. The way things look now we will pick fairly high in the draft. I understand trading back and getting several more picks. But that doesn't get us any impact players early in the draft. If need be I'd move up to get that DT that we need to pair with Hicks. As good as we find gems we need to really focus on defense 100% and bring in a couple of impact players through the draft. Smith and Ellis need to be gone. That will open up those roster spots for competition and let the young guns fight it out in training camp.
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10-31-2012, 07:12 AM	#3
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? Oh I think he saw it coming and probably knew it -- that's why they were selling the "it takes time to learn Spags' complex system" and the "remember the '07 Giants started slow" Kool Aid to us so hard, they trotted that line out and that was their way of selling this defense to us from pretty much right back at the very beginning of the season. I think he knew, or had an inkling of what he in for, that it was going to be a seat-of-the-pants defense. But I honestly don't think he forecasted that it would be THIS bad. It's like he came to New Orleans and bought a house with termites; and he keeps ripping stuff out and finding more problems and more tunnels and nests, and right now he's got to the point where he's just standing there in the driveway looking at it with his hands on his hips, saying Holy Crap. He's probably not going to blow a gasket and have a meltdown at the podium and say what he really feels (at least I don't think he will) but you can tell his is perplexed and frustrated. jcp026 and Shoe. like this.

10-31-2012, 07:36 AM	#4
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? nobody's worth 100 million bucks. not in this universe. AlaskaSaints likes this.

10-31-2012, 03:42 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? Originally Posted by skymike nobody's worth 100 million bucks. not in this universe. I'm worth a hundred million... ... ...but I'm not from here...

10-31-2012, 03:55 PM	#6
Speedy Ron I'm an A hole Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metry Posts: 1,173	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? Originally Posted by skymike nobody's worth 100 million bucks. not in this universe. I see your point. If he has 60 mil guaranteed why couldnt he just make a 60 mil contract all guaranteed. im sure theres waaay more to it but your right 100 mill is ALOT of money

10-31-2012, 06:08 PM	#7
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,819 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? Originally Posted by skymike nobody's worth 100 million bucks. not in this universe. Zooey might be

10-31-2012, 10:58 AM	#8
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? Originally Posted by SaintsBro It's like he came to New Orleans and bought a house with termites; and he keeps ripping stuff out and finding more problems and more tunnels and nests, and right now he's got to the point where he's just standing there in the driveway looking at it with his hands on his hips, saying Holy Crap. lol another great analogy Bro

10-31-2012, 10:17 AM	#9
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? I think you are forgetting that we lost at least 3 defensive players in preseason that was looking good. Romeus, Chamberlain and Hawthorne. The only LB we acquired that's healthy is Lofton. Hawthorne might get on the field soon but Chamberlain and Romeus are done until next year. Can't blame Spags for that. We need some young blood at LB and DL and until that happens our D is going to struggle. Halo likes this.

10-31-2012, 10:28 AM	#10
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? What gets to be a little startling in all of this is the fact that Spags took 2nd and 3rd string guys on Defense in St Louis and made them way better than what we are seeing are defense do. St Louis D was tons better under Spags than Saints D under Spags.
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