Draft or Free Agency

TheOak · 11-01-2012, 12:28 PM

This thread is for discussing our defense and whether to draft or find Free Agents. All sources cited.

Here are some rough stats from the 2012 draft round (keep in mind a good % of the reason is based on the drafting teams needs)
704 NFL Starters in 2012 (excluding Punters and kickers)
30-35 rookie starters for week 1
2-4 QB that will start their rookie season

A typical year for rookie starters is 3% a bad year is 2%
Rookie starters for 2012? Bengals, Bucs, Jags, Browns will have a few - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy

I cant find a discussion on years it takes the average player to develop into a starter but it seems offensive players tend to start a lot sooner than defensive players.

Scott Shanle - 5th year before he was a starter (actually only the Saints thought he was a starter for more than 8 games) *mind blown*

Troy Polamalu - didn't start until his second year.

Darren Sharper - didn't start until his second year.

Jared Allen - didn't start more than 10 games until his second year.

Ok so on with the discussion. Why is everyone so concerned with what we draft? You draft when your average and want to add a player that makes you good... You don't turn to the draft when your dead last in the league and want to make your team average.... NEXT YEAR.

On offense we draft a Colston/Graham/Thomas and the next season they work out great... We do not want to have to wait until 2014 for a decent defense do we?

I am still very befuddled as to why we did not pick up Julius Peppers when we could have. That is the sort of talent that makes an impact NOW.

2013 DE free agents
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2013 corner-back free agents
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2013 Safety free agents
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2013 Line Backer free agents
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2013 defensive tackle free agents
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Mardigras9 · 11-01-2012, 12:53 PM

I think the whole draft should be defensively driven.

Jamessr · 11-01-2012, 12:59 PM

I agree the defense needs major help. The offense as it is blows anyone out if the water! We just need more help from the defense. We figure that out and we get our Coach back we're going to smash people. I hope Sean Payton runs up every score in every game next year.

TheOak · 11-01-2012, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

I think the whole draft should be defensively driven.

The entire FA should be Defensively driven. These are known products, that can deliver on day one....

Why would you want to draft for someone that probably will not be starter material for an entire season? Look as how well we have drafter defense in the last few years... You want more of that?

With the exception or all star caliber Rookies, you draft projects and trade material. You get the rest from free agency when you are in the position we are in.

Free Agency impact players on Defense: (immediate impact)
Curtis Lofton
Darren Sharper
Johnathan Vilma

Offense:
Drew Brees
Darren Sproles

We need week 1 starters on Defense.

Utah_Saint · 11-01-2012, 02:19 PM

I think fixing this defense will take a combination of Free Agency and the draft. There are so many positions that need talent. Unfortunately, the Saints will be way over the salary cap next year so the odd of bringing in a star through free agency seem pretty slim.

All that being said, they do need some depth (or even a starter) at the tackle position as well. So they can't completely ignore the offense either.

The Saints are gonna be in a tough spot with so many needs and so little money. Mickey's gonna have to pull of some minor miracles this offseason.

Thanks for posting those links. Those are really handy. Looks like there's some big named FA next season.

TheOak · 11-01-2012, 03:15 PM

The entire defense needs to go on the wire.

With the exception of maybe 3-4...

Our cap situation is not that bad... 53 means in order to bring someone in... someone has to go and they take their cap hit with them.

lee909 · 11-01-2012, 03:40 PM

Draft draft the entire Alabama Defense.

FinSaint · 11-01-2012, 04:56 PM

I voted for the "defense will come around..." option purely based on the amusement it invoked inside of me.

BTW, Thomas was an UDFA, so the Saints didn't draft him.

dizzle88 · 11-01-2012, 05:00 PM

Will smith, Sed Ellis, Vilma, Shanle will probably be released after this season

Hopefully it should free up atleast a bit of space for some defensive improvements

Draft will make more of an impact due to the salary cap being close

FinSaint · 11-01-2012, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

The entire defense needs to go on the wire.

With the exception of maybe 3-4...

Our cap situation is not that bad... 53 means in order to bring someone in... someone has to go and they take their cap hit with them.

Except for the remaining guaranteed money left on their contract, which will count towards the salary cap even after they've gone.

View Poll Results: For 2013 which option do you prefer?
FA Defense and Draft Offense	5	18.52%
FA Offense and Draft Defense	5	18.52%
FA and Draft Defense	16	59.26%
Defense will come around, we need to work on the offense.	1	3.70%
Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll

11-01-2012, 12:28 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,895	Draft or Free Agency This thread is for discussing our defense and whether to draft or find Free Agents. All sources cited. Here are some rough stats from the 2012 draft round (keep in mind a good % of the reason is based on the drafting teams needs) 704 NFL Starters in 2012 (excluding Punters and kickers) 30-35 rookie starters for week 1 2-4 QB that will start their rookie season A typical year for rookie starters is 3% a bad year is 2% Rookie starters for 2012? Bengals, Bucs, Jags, Browns will have a few - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy I cant find a discussion on years it takes the average player to develop into a starter but it seems offensive players tend to start a lot sooner than defensive players. Scott Shanle - 5th year before he was a starter (actually only the Saints thought he was a starter for more than 8 games) mind blown Troy Polamalu - didn't start until his second year. Darren Sharper - didn't start until his second year. Jared Allen - didn't start more than 10 games until his second year. Ok so on with the discussion. Why is everyone so concerned with what we draft? You draft when your average and want to add a player that makes you good... You don't turn to the draft when your dead last in the league and want to make your team average.... NEXT YEAR. On offense we draft a Colston/Graham/Thomas and the next season they work out great... We do not want to have to wait until 2014 for a decent defense do we? I am still very befuddled as to why we did not pick up Julius Peppers when we could have. That is the sort of talent that makes an impact NOW. 2013 DE free agents 2013 NFL Free Agent Tracker 2013 corner-back free agents 2013 NFL Free Agent Tracker 2013 Safety free agents 2013 NFL Free Agent Tracker 2013 Line Backer free agents 2013 NFL Free Agent Tracker 2013 defensive tackle free agents 2013 NFL Free Agent Tracker
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11-01-2012, 12:53 PM	#2
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Draft of Free Agency I think the whole draft should be defensively driven.

11-01-2012, 12:59 PM	#3
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Draft of Free Agency I agree the defense needs major help. The offense as it is blows anyone out if the water! We just need more help from the defense. We figure that out and we get our Coach back we're going to smash people. I hope Sean Payton runs up every score in every game next year.

11-01-2012, 02:05 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,895	Re: Draft of Free Agency Originally Posted by Mardigras9 I think the whole draft should be defensively driven. The entire FA should be Defensively driven. These are known products, that can deliver on day one.... Why would you want to draft for someone that probably will not be starter material for an entire season? Look as how well we have drafter defense in the last few years... You want more of that? With the exception or all star caliber Rookies, you draft projects and trade material. You get the rest from free agency when you are in the position we are in. Free Agency impact players on Defense: (immediate impact) Curtis Lofton Darren Sharper Johnathan Vilma Offense: Drew Brees Darren Sproles We need week 1 starters on Defense.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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11-01-2012, 02:19 PM	#5
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Draft of Free Agency I think fixing this defense will take a combination of Free Agency and the draft. There are so many positions that need talent. Unfortunately, the Saints will be way over the salary cap next year so the odd of bringing in a star through free agency seem pretty slim. All that being said, they do need some depth (or even a starter) at the tackle position as well. So they can't completely ignore the offense either. The Saints are gonna be in a tough spot with so many needs and so little money. Mickey's gonna have to pull of some minor miracles this offseason. Thanks for posting those links. Those are really handy. Looks like there's some big named FA next season. The Dude likes this.

11-01-2012, 03:15 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,895	Re: Draft of Free Agency The entire defense needs to go on the wire. With the exception of maybe 3-4... Our cap situation is not that bad... 53 means in order to bring someone in... someone has to go and they take their cap hit with them.

11-01-2012, 03:40 PM	#7
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,589 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Draft of Free Agency Draft draft the entire Alabama Defense. saintfan and QBREES9 like this.

11-01-2012, 04:56 PM	#8
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,953	Re: Draft of Free Agency I voted for the "defense will come around..." option purely based on the amusement it invoked inside of me. BTW, Thomas was an UDFA, so the Saints didn't draft him.

11-01-2012, 05:00 PM	#9
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,123	Re: Draft of Free Agency Will smith, Sed Ellis, Vilma, Shanle will probably be released after this season Hopefully it should free up atleast a bit of space for some defensive improvements Draft will make more of an impact due to the salary cap being close

11-01-2012, 05:02 PM	#10
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,953	Re: Draft of Free Agency Originally Posted by x626xBlack The entire defense needs to go on the wire. With the exception of maybe 3-4... Our cap situation is not that bad... 53 means in order to bring someone in... someone has to go and they take their cap hit with them. Except for the remaining guaranteed money left on their contract, which will count towards the salary cap even after they've gone.

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