Draft or Free Agency

Danno · 11-03-2012, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Hopefully we take into account how well the draftee played defense in college in a ZONE!

Good point, although I have mixed feelings about that. On one hand, you take the best player on the board over and over and eventually you end up with superior talent.

But teams like Pittsburgh and Baltimore draft players that fit their style (scheme, system, personality or whatever) and they stay competitive year in and year out.

One thing I noticed is we don't really draft for system. Martez Wilson was a MLB that some said could be a stand up DE/OLB in a 3-4. He wasn't really a great fit for our system.

Cam Jordan makes a fine LDE, but many have suggested he's probably better suited for a 3-4 DE.

We brought in Franklin last year who did well as a 3-4 NT, and tried to make him a 4-3 DT.

David Hawthorne was a MLB, we sign him to play outside.

I'll be disappointed if we decide to stick to a 4-3 yet sign/draft a tweener best suited for DE/OLB in a 3-4.

It may be time to narrow the focus a bit and identify some players that fit our scheme and our needs. We just need to be careful and not reach for a need.

Crusader · 11-03-2012, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by lsutigerfan

This is who I want to draft. Bjoern Werner

FSU Bjoern Werner 2011 Highlights - YouTube

Agreed! Always go for the european guy!

saintsfan1976 · 11-04-2012, 11:29 PM

3 DC's in the past 5 years could be to blame for "not fitting the right scheme"...

TheOak · 11-05-2012, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Good point, although I have mixed feelings about that. On one hand, you take the best player on the board over and over and eventually you end up with superior talent.

But teams like Pittsburgh and Baltimore draft players that fit their style (scheme, system, personality or whatever) and they stay competitive year in and year out.

One thing I noticed is we don't really draft for system. Martez Wilson was a MLB that some said could be a stand up DE/OLB in a 3-4. He wasn't really a great fit for our system.

Cam Jordan makes a fine LDE, but many have suggested he's probably better suited for a 3-4 DE.

We brought in Franklin last year who did well as a 3-4 NT, and tried to make him a 4-3 DT.

David Hawthorne was a MLB, we sign him to play outside.

I'll be disappointed if we decide to stick to a 4-3 yet sign/draft a tweener best suited for DE/OLB in a 3-4.

It may be time to narrow the focus a bit and identify some players that fit our scheme and our needs. We just need to be careful and not reach for a need.

I think we have failed epically to fully account for the change in the game. There used to be a time when a mediocre Safety was all you needed, and damned good LBs were the strong suit of the defense.. This has become a passing league... We don't need epic LBs anymore, we need an epic (big play maker) safety... Our success in 2009 was a testament to how valuable a big play maker safety who can produce is to a defense.

Safety's are not just defensive play callers anymore.

hagan714 · 11-05-2012, 10:40 AM

Protecting a 10 MILLION dollar investment is priority #1

The saints are driven to prove Ingram was the right pick

Problem with the OL they are a few pieces away from doing the two goals the saints front office wants to do.

FA does not seem to have the answers in my book. The draft is deep in RT this year and that is were i see or hope the saints drafting early.

On the defensive side of the ball the saints need a few pieces here and there and places i can not say.

WDE Will Smith and WLB is still the side of field teams run at, screen at and dump off in game in and game out for a few years now. No i will not talk about Wilson here but lol.

DE looks good in the draft but the saints will need to trade down to address both offense needs and defensive needs as we all know.

in FA i am watching these two young players

Terrance Knighton (JAC) - NT - get run stuffer
Israel Idonije (CHI) - DT - solid pass rusher at DT or DE

tough call right now but the saints must do a few things and i am going to start with the front office here. stop putting round pegs in a square hole. it aint working already.

SapperSaint · 11-05-2012, 01:53 PM

This all makes me want to vomit in my pockets!

Rugby Saint II · 11-05-2012, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

This all makes me want to vomit in my pockets!

Your bunny outfit has pockets?

TheOak · 11-05-2012, 02:47 PM

That bunny outfit has holes in the pockets.

No comment on the carrot

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11-03-2012, 09:21 AM	#21
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Draft or Free Agency Originally Posted by x626xBlack Hopefully we take into account how well the draftee played defense in college in a ZONE! Good point, although I have mixed feelings about that. On one hand, you take the best player on the board over and over and eventually you end up with superior talent. But teams like Pittsburgh and Baltimore draft players that fit their style (scheme, system, personality or whatever) and they stay competitive year in and year out. One thing I noticed is we don't really draft for system. Martez Wilson was a MLB that some said could be a stand up DE/OLB in a 3-4. He wasn't really a great fit for our system. Cam Jordan makes a fine LDE, but many have suggested he's probably better suited for a 3-4 DE. We brought in Franklin last year who did well as a 3-4 NT, and tried to make him a 4-3 DT. David Hawthorne was a MLB, we sign him to play outside. I'll be disappointed if we decide to stick to a 4-3 yet sign/draft a tweener best suited for DE/OLB in a 3-4. It may be time to narrow the focus a bit and identify some players that fit our scheme and our needs. We just need to be careful and not reach for a need. jcp026 likes this.

11-03-2012, 07:09 PM	#22
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Draft or Free Agency Originally Posted by lsutigerfan This is who I want to draft. Bjoern Werner FSU Bjoern Werner 2011 Highlights - YouTube Agreed! Always go for the european guy!

11-04-2012, 11:29 PM	#23
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11-05-2012, 08:18 AM	#24
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Draft or Free Agency Originally Posted by Danno Good point, although I have mixed feelings about that. On one hand, you take the best player on the board over and over and eventually you end up with superior talent. But teams like Pittsburgh and Baltimore draft players that fit their style (scheme, system, personality or whatever) and they stay competitive year in and year out. One thing I noticed is we don't really draft for system. Martez Wilson was a MLB that some said could be a stand up DE/OLB in a 3-4. He wasn't really a great fit for our system. Cam Jordan makes a fine LDE, but many have suggested he's probably better suited for a 3-4 DE. We brought in Franklin last year who did well as a 3-4 NT, and tried to make him a 4-3 DT. David Hawthorne was a MLB, we sign him to play outside. I'll be disappointed if we decide to stick to a 4-3 yet sign/draft a tweener best suited for DE/OLB in a 3-4. It may be time to narrow the focus a bit and identify some players that fit our scheme and our needs. We just need to be careful and not reach for a need. I think we have failed epically to fully account for the change in the game. There used to be a time when a mediocre Safety was all you needed, and damned good LBs were the strong suit of the defense.. This has become a passing league... We don't need epic LBs anymore, we need an epic (big play maker) safety... Our success in 2009 was a testament to how valuable a big play maker safety who can produce is to a defense. Safety's are not just defensive play callers anymore.

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11-05-2012, 10:40 AM	#25
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Draft or Free Agency Protecting a 10 MILLION dollar investment is priority #1 The saints are driven to prove Ingram was the right pick Problem with the OL they are a few pieces away from doing the two goals the saints front office wants to do. FA does not seem to have the answers in my book. The draft is deep in RT this year and that is were i see or hope the saints drafting early. On the defensive side of the ball the saints need a few pieces here and there and places i can not say. WDE Will Smith and WLB is still the side of field teams run at, screen at and dump off in game in and game out for a few years now. No i will not talk about Wilson here but lol. DE looks good in the draft but the saints will need to trade down to address both offense needs and defensive needs as we all know. in FA i am watching these two young players Terrance Knighton (JAC) - NT - get run stuffer Israel Idonije (CHI) - DT - solid pass rusher at DT or DE tough call right now but the saints must do a few things and i am going to start with the front office here. stop putting round pegs in a square hole. it aint working already.
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11-05-2012, 01:53 PM	#26
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Draft or Free Agency This all makes me want to vomit in my pockets!

11-05-2012, 02:43 PM	#27
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Draft or Free Agency Originally Posted by SapperSaint This all makes me want to vomit in my pockets! Your bunny outfit has pockets? Danno likes this.

11-05-2012, 02:47 PM	#28
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Draft or Free Agency That bunny outfit has holes in the pockets. No comment on the carrot

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