Supertek

Think we may need to find another option. This guy somewhere along the way has lost it. Kickers in the NFL have to be consistent and he is too shakey. Not sure if it is a confidence thing or technique. Either way you cannot afford to wait on him. It will cost games that are tight. Bring back Kassay and cut him. Find a replacement in the draft for next year. Wonder why Moorestead can have a shot.

Budsdrinker

He's missed 3 kicks all year and 2 of the 3 are from 50+. Falcons kicker missed 2 kicks last week from under 45 and you don't hear them wanting to get rid of their kicker. I don't know what you guys want in a kicker, no kicker is perfect!

dizzle88

all other players practice so much other stuff

RB - vision, ball security, hitting the holes, catching passes etc

kickers - kick all day in practice, nothing else to practice, just kicking all day

the amount of kicks he misses is getting out of hand

TheOak

Hartley is an issue and a huge liability for the following reasons:

1. We are in a year where games are lost/won by very close margins.
2. We are a dome team Hartley is a low % kicker on turf, and a low % kicker in doors. I have a thread around here with the stats to prove it.

Kickers being compared to QBs is apples to oranges. Kickers kick with only one purpose, to SCORE.

Saints /Falcons is always a close game... I cringe when I think that two of our most important games this season will probably be on Hartleys leg... indoors... on turf.

The reality is that Hartley is only good when he is on banned substances...

SaintnDE

everytime he goes to kick, i suddenly have to go to the bathroom.

lumm0x

Yeah the 53 was beyond his consistently makeable range. Beyond 45 I don't think he's an effective option. I'd rather gamble on 4th than try a long kick. Other than that, I agree, kicker is the least of our issues.

FinSaint

SP seems to have a soft spot for him - or maybe he as well has some incriminating pictures - so I'd just wait until the offseason and let SP make the call on Hartley's future with the Saints.

In any case, I seriously doubt he will affect the way this season ends for the Saints - good or bad.

pumpkindriver

Kickers run hot and cold, remember Suisam? The redskins cut him after missing the FG against us in '09 and now hes doing well, with the Steelers I think. Like it or not, I think Hartley is here for the rest of the season, then they will evaluate his performance and see if we keep him or not.

Rugby Saint II

There's little doubt that he's a head case but Payton seems to get his best from him. We still have the rest of the season to make sure if he's our guy or not. You can bet Sean Payton is taking notes about the kicking that he will address when he comes back.

AlaskaSaints

:YAWN:

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