What are we going to do about Hartley?

SmashMouth · 12-24-2012, 10:26 AM

He missed makeable kicks against the Packers and Chiefs that has cost us games this year.

Boutte · 12-24-2012, 10:34 AM

Find somebody better. Then cut him.

arsaint · 12-24-2012, 10:45 AM

He won for us yesterday.

Then again, if he could have made the 36 yarder it would have never went into OT...

UK_WhoDat · 12-24-2012, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Has he cost the Saints any games?...

I am sure he has but heck who, when we look at the fine analysis, has not?

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

....The Saints have a helluva lot bigger problems than the kicker!...

Oh yes sirree

UK_WhoDat · 12-25-2012, 07:02 AM

we could hijack this:

Video: Today on YouTube: Norwegian Havard Rugland earns NFL trial with New York Jets after posting spectacular kicking video. - Telegraph

Today on YouTube: Norwegian Havard Rugland earns NFL trial with New York Jets after posting spectacular kicking video.

It's not got the glamour of quarterback, but there is no position Norweigan hopeful Havard Rugland wants to play more in American football than kicker.

By Telegraph Sport 24 Dec 2012 2:43PM GMT

To demonstrate his considerable talents, Rugland made a video compilling his spectacular football-kicking trick shots which show him nailing everything from 60-yard field goals to wildly useless scissor kicks.

It has been enough to earn the 27-year-old a trial with the New York Jets.

"On this trip things have evolved rapidly, from just training alone to training to try out for a team. From where I am now, playing in the NFL is a long way to go, but my goal is to get a contract before the preparations begin for next season," Rugland said.

http://www.youtube.com/v/jDwbjHV8jLo?version=3&hl=en_GB

dizzle88 · 12-25-2012, 07:51 AM

Cut him, can't trust him

Ashley · 12-25-2012, 09:36 AM

Bye Bye, and happy new year to ya Hartley

vpheughan · 12-25-2012, 09:41 AM

And as we all know , he'll come back and kill us just like Morten did.

TheOak · 12-25-2012, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I've watched virtually every one of his kicks over the years, and my new opinion is that, when they hurry him, when they snap the ball without giving him that extra 2-3 seconds to compose himself, when Hartley is rushed -- THAT'S when he misses or has the kicks that go wobbly and wonky, end over end.

That one that he missed yesterday, I turned away for a moment to grab something to eat or take a sip of my drink, and when my eyes came back to the screen, the ball was already snapped...they rushed the unit out there to snap it...when you give Hartley a time out or a penalty or give him the full 40 seconds, a long snap count, he usually nails it. Some of this is on the coaches, probably Payton and McMahon, who are always kinda impatient and OCD.

He is an emo kid, head case kicker, nut job, absolutely, with attention deficit disorder, it's been proven....and when you don't give him a lot of time to be still, to settle into it and compose himself, I've become convinced that's when his performance suffers. He has problems to be sure, but his numbers are too good to declare him a complete bum... Just my take on it.

Which numbers are too good? Have you looked at his situational stats? Indoors vs out doors, grass vs turf, home away...

You'll see we have a dome team and a kicker that is better on grass outside. Good kid, bad match for the Saints.
3% better on Grass
10% better Away
11% better Outdoors
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...arrett-hartley

You have also set a standard that we have to call a time out or cause a
penalty for every FG?

No sir, can't afford to have a kicker that needs special situations to be accurate, or coddle to make a FG.

Budsdrinker · 12-25-2012, 10:40 AM

Bring in the kid from Tulane. He made every kick this year including 50+ kicks,won the Lou Graza award and is very comfortable kicking in the dome.
Cairo Santos.

12-24-2012, 10:26 AM	#41
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? He missed makeable kicks against the Packers and Chiefs that has cost us games this year. Ashley likes this.

12-24-2012, 10:34 AM	#42
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? Find somebody better. Then cut him. SloMotion likes this.

12-24-2012, 10:45 AM	#43
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,705	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? He won for us yesterday. Then again, if he could have made the 36 yarder it would have never went into OT... SmashMouth likes this.

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UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Has he cost the Saints any games?... I am sure he has but heck who, when we look at the fine analysis, has not? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 ....The Saints have a helluva lot bigger problems than the kicker!... Oh yes sirree

12-25-2012, 07:02 AM	#45
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? we could hijack this: Video: Today on YouTube: Norwegian Havard Rugland earns NFL trial with New York Jets after posting spectacular kicking video. - Telegraph Today on YouTube: Norwegian Havard Rugland earns NFL trial with New York Jets after posting spectacular kicking video. It's not got the glamour of quarterback, but there is no position Norweigan hopeful Havard Rugland wants to play more in American football than kicker. By Telegraph Sport 24 Dec 2012 2:43PM GMT To demonstrate his considerable talents, Rugland made a video compilling his spectacular football-kicking trick shots which show him nailing everything from 60-yard field goals to wildly useless scissor kicks. It has been enough to earn the 27-year-old a trial with the New York Jets. "On this trip things have evolved rapidly, from just training alone to training to try out for a team. From where I am now, playing in the NFL is a long way to go, but my goal is to get a contract before the preparations begin for next season," Rugland said. http://www.youtube.com/v/jDwbjHV8jLo?version=3&hl=en_GB
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12-25-2012, 07:51 AM	#46
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12-25-2012, 10:26 AM	#49
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by SaintsBro I've watched virtually every one of his kicks over the years, and my new opinion is that, when they hurry him, when they snap the ball without giving him that extra 2-3 seconds to compose himself, when Hartley is rushed -- THAT'S when he misses or has the kicks that go wobbly and wonky, end over end. That one that he missed yesterday, I turned away for a moment to grab something to eat or take a sip of my drink, and when my eyes came back to the screen, the ball was already snapped...they rushed the unit out there to snap it...when you give Hartley a time out or a penalty or give him the full 40 seconds, a long snap count, he usually nails it. Some of this is on the coaches, probably Payton and McMahon, who are always kinda impatient and OCD. He is an emo kid, head case kicker, nut job, absolutely, with attention deficit disorder, it's been proven....and when you don't give him a lot of time to be still, to settle into it and compose himself, I've become convinced that's when his performance suffers. He has problems to be sure, but his numbers are too good to declare him a complete bum... Just my take on it. Which numbers are too good? Have you looked at his situational stats? Indoors vs out doors, grass vs turf, home away... You'll see we have a dome team and a kicker that is better on grass outside. Good kid, bad match for the Saints. 3% better on Grass 10% better Away 11% better Outdoors http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...arrett-hartley You have also set a standard that we have to call a time out or cause a penalty for every FG? No sir, can't afford to have a kicker that needs special situations to be accurate, or coddle to make a FG.
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12-25-2012, 10:40 AM	#50
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? Bring in the kid from Tulane. He made every kick this year including 50+ kicks,won the Lou Graza award and is very comfortable kicking in the dome. Cairo Santos. SmashMouth and AlaskaSaints like this.

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