What are we going to do about Hartley?

TheOak · 12-25-2012, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I've watched virtually every one of his kicks over the years, and my new opinion is that, when they hurry him, when they snap the ball without giving him that extra 2-3 seconds to compose himself, when Hartley is rushed -- THAT'S when he misses or has the kicks that go wobbly and wonky, end over end.

That one that he missed yesterday, I turned away for a moment to grab something to eat or take a sip of my drink, and when my eyes came back to the screen, the ball was already snapped...they rushed the unit out there to snap it...when you give Hartley a time out or a penalty or give him the full 40 seconds, a long snap count, he usually nails it. Some of this is on the coaches, probably Payton and McMahon, who are always kinda impatient and OCD.

He is an emo kid, head case kicker, nut job, absolutely, with attention deficit disorder, it's been proven....and when you don't give him a lot of time to be still, to settle into it and compose himself, I've become convinced that's when his performance suffers. He has problems to be sure, but his numbers are too good to declare him a complete bum... Just my take on it.

Which numbers are too good? Have you looked at his situational stats? Indoors vs out doors, grass vs turf, home away...

You'll see we have a dome team and a kicker that is better on grass outside. Good kid, bad match for the Saints.
3% better on Grass
10% better Away
11% better Outdoors
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...arrett-hartley

You have also set a standard that we have to call a time out or cause a
penalty for every FG?

No sir, can't afford to have a kicker that needs special situations to be accurate, or coddle to make a FG.

Budsdrinker · 12-25-2012, 09:40 AM

Bring in the kid from Tulane. He made every kick this year including 50+ kicks,won the Lou Graza award and is very comfortable kicking in the dome.
Cairo Santos.

SloMotion · 12-27-2012, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Bring in the kid from Tulane. He made every kick this year including 50+ kicks,won the Lou Graza award and is very comfortable kicking in the dome.
Cairo Santos.

Sounds like the Randy Bullock (Texas A&M) story from last year. 2011 Lou Graza Award winner, drafted in the fifth round by the Houston Texans. Spent the entire season on IR with a groin tear.

Gotta' be careful with these guys with the big legs, you can end up right back where you started from.

TheOak · 12-26-2012, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

And as we all know , he'll come back and kill us just like Morten did.

Kicker can't kill us if we have a 14 point lead.

SaintsBro · 12-26-2012, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Kicker can't kill us if we have a 14 point lead.

Good luck in the real world with that philosophy!

Utah_Saint · 12-26-2012, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Kicker can't kill us if we have a 14 point lead.

Wouldn't have to worry about which kicker we had with a 14 point lead.

mighty12 · 12-26-2012, 10:25 AM

It's difficult to get 14 points without a kicker......extra points matter.

dizzle88 · 12-26-2012, 10:46 AM

Hartley screwed us over but the team blowing a 14 point lead with 4 minutes to go is what nearly did us in

vpheughan · 12-26-2012, 11:05 AM

If Suisham is still in the league Hartley will be too. With us or someone else.

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12-25-2012, 09:26 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Originally Posted by SaintsBro I've watched virtually every one of his kicks over the years, and my new opinion is that, when they hurry him, when they snap the ball without giving him that extra 2-3 seconds to compose himself, when Hartley is rushed -- THAT'S when he misses or has the kicks that go wobbly and wonky, end over end. That one that he missed yesterday, I turned away for a moment to grab something to eat or take a sip of my drink, and when my eyes came back to the screen, the ball was already snapped...they rushed the unit out there to snap it...when you give Hartley a time out or a penalty or give him the full 40 seconds, a long snap count, he usually nails it. Some of this is on the coaches, probably Payton and McMahon, who are always kinda impatient and OCD. He is an emo kid, head case kicker, nut job, absolutely, with attention deficit disorder, it's been proven....and when you don't give him a lot of time to be still, to settle into it and compose himself, I've become convinced that's when his performance suffers. He has problems to be sure, but his numbers are too good to declare him a complete bum... Just my take on it. Which numbers are too good? Have you looked at his situational stats? Indoors vs out doors, grass vs turf, home away... You'll see we have a dome team and a kicker that is better on grass outside. Good kid, bad match for the Saints. 3% better on Grass 10% better Away 11% better Outdoors http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...arrett-hartley You have also set a standard that we have to call a time out or cause a penalty for every FG? No sir, can't afford to have a kicker that needs special situations to be accurate, or coddle to make a FG.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-25-2012, 09:40 AM	#2
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? Bring in the kid from Tulane. He made every kick this year including 50+ kicks,won the Lou Graza award and is very comfortable kicking in the dome. Cairo Santos. SmashMouth and AlaskaSaints like this.

12-27-2012, 06:52 AM	#3
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Bring in the kid from Tulane. He made every kick this year including 50+ kicks,won the Lou Graza award and is very comfortable kicking in the dome. Cairo Santos. Sounds like the Randy Bullock (Texas A&M) story from last year. 2011 Lou Graza Award winner, drafted in the fifth round by the Houston Texans. Spent the entire season on IR with a groin tear. Gotta' be careful with these guys with the big legs, you can end up right back where you started from.

12-26-2012, 04:45 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Originally Posted by vpheughan And as we all know , he'll come back and kill us just like Morten did. Kicker can't kill us if we have a 14 point lead.

12-26-2012, 07:57 AM	#5
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? Originally Posted by TheOak Kicker can't kill us if we have a 14 point lead. Good luck in the real world with that philosophy!

12-26-2012, 09:13 AM	#6
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? Originally Posted by TheOak Kicker can't kill us if we have a 14 point lead. Wouldn't have to worry about which kicker we had with a 14 point lead.

12-26-2012, 10:25 AM	#7
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? It's difficult to get 14 points without a kicker......extra points matter.

12-26-2012, 10:46 AM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? Hartley screwed us over but the team blowing a 14 point lead with 4 minutes to go is what nearly did us in UK_WhoDat and TheOak like this.

12-26-2012, 11:05 AM	#9
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,547	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? If Suisham is still in the league Hartley will be too. With us or someone else.
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