What are we going to do about Hartley?

TheOak · 12-25-2012, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I've watched virtually every one of his kicks over the years, and my new opinion is that, when they hurry him, when they snap the ball without giving him that extra 2-3 seconds to compose himself, when Hartley is rushed -- THAT'S when he misses or has the kicks that go wobbly and wonky, end over end.

That one that he missed yesterday, I turned away for a moment to grab something to eat or take a sip of my drink, and when my eyes came back to the screen, the ball was already snapped...they rushed the unit out there to snap it...when you give Hartley a time out or a penalty or give him the full 40 seconds, a long snap count, he usually nails it. Some of this is on the coaches, probably Payton and McMahon, who are always kinda impatient and OCD.

He is an emo kid, head case kicker, nut job, absolutely, with attention deficit disorder, it's been proven....and when you don't give him a lot of time to be still, to settle into it and compose himself, I've become convinced that's when his performance suffers. He has problems to be sure, but his numbers are too good to declare him a complete bum... Just my take on it.

Which numbers are too good? Have you looked at his situational stats? Indoors vs out doors, grass vs turf, home away...

You'll see we have a dome team and a kicker that is better on grass outside. Good kid, bad match for the Saints.
3% better on Grass
10% better Away
11% better Outdoors
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...arrett-hartley

You have also set a standard that we have to call a time out or cause a
penalty for every FG?

No sir, can't afford to have a kicker that needs special situations to be accurate, or coddle to make a FG.

12-25-2012, 09:26 AM	#18
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Originally Posted by SaintsBro I've watched virtually every one of his kicks over the years, and my new opinion is that, when they hurry him, when they snap the ball without giving him that extra 2-3 seconds to compose himself, when Hartley is rushed -- THAT'S when he misses or has the kicks that go wobbly and wonky, end over end. That one that he missed yesterday, I turned away for a moment to grab something to eat or take a sip of my drink, and when my eyes came back to the screen, the ball was already snapped...they rushed the unit out there to snap it...when you give Hartley a time out or a penalty or give him the full 40 seconds, a long snap count, he usually nails it. Some of this is on the coaches, probably Payton and McMahon, who are always kinda impatient and OCD. He is an emo kid, head case kicker, nut job, absolutely, with attention deficit disorder, it's been proven....and when you don't give him a lot of time to be still, to settle into it and compose himself, I've become convinced that's when his performance suffers. He has problems to be sure, but his numbers are too good to declare him a complete bum... Just my take on it. Which numbers are too good? Have you looked at his situational stats? Indoors vs out doors, grass vs turf, home away... You'll see we have a dome team and a kicker that is better on grass outside. Good kid, bad match for the Saints. 3% better on Grass 10% better Away 11% better Outdoors http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...arrett-hartley You have also set a standard that we have to call a time out or cause a penalty for every FG? No sir, can't afford to have a kicker that needs special situations to be accurate, or coddle to make a FG.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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