What are we going to do about Hartley?

sainttommy · 11-07-2012, 05:04 PM

I know what he did the Superbowl year, and that was awesome. But I find myself holding my breath on all field goals including "chip shots". Did he over achieve in '09? Is he damaged goods?
He is %70 with a long of 53 and his % has deteriorated every year he has been in the league. That can't be good for a dome team's kicker. there has to be a better option

FinSaint · 11-07-2012, 07:06 PM

That 53 yarder he made this season is his career long, so I don't think he is "damaged goods" like you were postulating.

SP will be back next season and he'll figure out what to do with Hartley, and there really is no reason for anyone to do anything about it until then.

Also, I wouldn't say that he overachieved in '09 when '08 was a far better year for him statistically - he made 13 out of 13 attempts that year. And in '10 he made 20 out of 25 attempts which is also very good in my book.

Turbo Saint · 11-07-2012, 07:56 PM

adios...we can find something else i'm sure.

TheEnigma · 11-07-2012, 08:14 PM

Cut him

WhoDat!656 · 11-07-2012, 08:51 PM

Think the Saints still have Kasay's #?

Beastmode · 11-07-2012, 08:53 PM

He never was very accurate. One thing he has done however is make some critical kicks. That's why he's still around. As of late however he has been more shaky than a French soldier. That extra point that rattled in is unacceptable. I'm done with him.

swampwiz · 12-24-2012, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

He never was very accurate. One thing he has done however is make some critical kicks. That's why he's still around. As of late however he has been more shaky than a French soldier. That extra point that rattled in is unacceptable. I'm done with him.

Like the critical kick vs. the Buccaneers in 2009 in week 16? Or that kick vs. the Falcons (can't remember the year)? Or against the horrid Chiefs this year?

WhoDat!656 · 11-07-2012, 08:56 PM

Has he cost the Saints any games?

The Saints have a helluva lot bigger problems than the kicker!

1. A defense that is hemmoraghing points and yards
1a. We are without our head coach

burningmetal · 12-24-2012, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Has he cost the Saints any games?

The Saints have a helluva lot bigger problems than the kicker!

1. A defense that is hemmoraghing points and yards
1a. We are without our head coach

As a matter of fact, he cost the Saints the division AND home field advantage in '10 when he missed a 20 yard attempt in overtime against the Falcons. He lost us the game against Tampa Bay near the end of the '09 season with a miss of under 40 yards in the final seconds. Earlier this year, he was a major contributor to a loss when he missed a field goal in the 4th quarter against the Packers, in an eventual 1 point loss. That's not to mention all the numerous other misses and a couple missed extra points. You don't have to directly cause a loss to be considered a bad kicker. He has missed a ton of kicks.

He's not an NFL kicker. His percentage might be deemed acceptable at the collegiate level, but you're supposed to be the best of the best in the NFL. Hartley certainly is not. And as for our other problems... What does that have to do with our kicker? It's already been mentioned that we have a weak pass rush and no secondary.

UK_WhoDat · 12-24-2012, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Has he cost the Saints any games?...

I am sure he has but heck who, when we look at the fine analysis, has not?

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

....The Saints have a helluva lot bigger problems than the kicker!...

Oh yes sirree

11-07-2012, 05:04 PM	#1
sainttommy Site Donor Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21	What are we going to do about Hartley? I know what he did the Superbowl year, and that was awesome. But I find myself holding my breath on all field goals including "chip shots". Did he over achieve in '09? Is he damaged goods? He is %70 with a long of 53 and his % has deteriorated every year he has been in the league. That can't be good for a dome team's kicker. there has to be a better option RockyMountainSaint, AlaskaSaints, gulfgambler and 1 others like this.
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11-07-2012, 07:06 PM	#2
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swampwiz Rookie Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? Originally Posted by Beastmode He never was very accurate. One thing he has done however is make some critical kicks. That's why he's still around. As of late however he has been more shaky than a French soldier. That extra point that rattled in is unacceptable. I'm done with him. Like the critical kick vs. the Buccaneers in 2009 in week 16? Or that kick vs. the Falcons (can't remember the year)? Or against the horrid Chiefs this year?
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12-24-2012, 07:38 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What are we going to do about Hartley? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Has he cost the Saints any games? The Saints have a helluva lot bigger problems than the kicker! 1. A defense that is hemmoraghing points and yards 1a. We are without our head coach As a matter of fact, he cost the Saints the division AND home field advantage in '10 when he missed a 20 yard attempt in overtime against the Falcons. He lost us the game against Tampa Bay near the end of the '09 season with a miss of under 40 yards in the final seconds. Earlier this year, he was a major contributor to a loss when he missed a field goal in the 4th quarter against the Packers, in an eventual 1 point loss. That's not to mention all the numerous other misses and a couple missed extra points. You don't have to directly cause a loss to be considered a bad kicker. He has missed a ton of kicks. He's not an NFL kicker. His percentage might be deemed acceptable at the collegiate level, but you're supposed to be the best of the best in the NFL. Hartley certainly is not. And as for our other problems... What does that have to do with our kicker? It's already been mentioned that we have a weak pass rush and no secondary.
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