Brees letting the team down

dizzle88 · 11-30-2012, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Just for my own personal understanding.

What you are saying is "don't have an opinion or personal view of people who have an opinion or a personal view"?

Am I close?

Nope not close at all

Everyone can have their own views about eachother, I never said they couldn't

But calling me a bandwagon fan because I'm saying brees is to blame is absurd

TheOak · 11-30-2012, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Nope not close at all

Everyone can have their own views about eachother, I never said they couldn't

But calling me a bandwagon fan because I'm saying brees is to blame is absurd

You saying Brees it 100% to blame when a coach with a damned good running game decided to force a QB that is having an off night and throwing picks to keep throwing picks is absurd.

Thomas was averaging 6 yards per carry and healthy. The run was abandoned because poor game management sent us into the 1/2 down by two scores.

You blaming Brees for what was probably the tide turner for this game, abysmal clock and game management just before the 1/2 is absurd.

Cause and effect (adj)-
noting a relationship between actions or events such that one or more are the result of the other or others.

In military terms - When your weapon is malfunctioning you go to another fkn weapon. On int 3 brees would have been benched for Daniels, and PT would have been the work horse.

NonieT · 11-30-2012, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You saying Brees it 100% to blame when a coach with a damned good running game decided to force a QB that is having an off night and throwing picks to keep throwing picks is absurd.

Thomas was averaging 6 yards per carry and healthy. The run was abandoned because poor game management sent us into the 1/2 down by two scores.

You blaming Brees for what was probably the tide turner for this game, abysmal clock and game management just before the 1/2 is absurd.

Cause and effect (adj)-
noting a relationship between actions or events such that one or more are the result of the other or others.

In military terms - When your weapon is malfunctioning you go to another fkn weapon. On int 3 brees would have been benched for Daniels, and PT would have been the work horse.

I agree. The coaches should have never abandoned the run. It was working. Brees should not have had to throw so much.

TheOak · 11-30-2012, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by NonieT

I agree. The coaches should have never abandoned the run. It was working. Brees should not have had to throw so much.

He should have not been ALLOWED to throw so much.

alleycat_126 · 11-30-2012, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Past two weeks have been completely on him

7 interceptions in two weeks when he'd only threw 9 all year

100 million dollars and a holdout, what a fantastic choice our team made

Take the good with the bad, this is the choice our team has made. He sucked it up. But it was a great choice.

Utah_Saint · 11-30-2012, 08:01 AM

Whether Drew should get a pass, because of the huge part he's been in the Saints success over the last 6 years and what a great representative he's been for this team and this franchise, is up to each individual fan. He may be your favorite player ever and the reason you watch football.
But there's no denying that 7 interceptions in 2 games is unacceptable for any quarterback at just about any level.

neugey · 11-30-2012, 08:05 AM

I think this is Brees subliminal way of saying to Sean Payton "If you left for Dallas and Tony Romo was your QB, this is what it would look like!"

SloMotion · 11-30-2012, 08:10 AM

'Yes' ... and 'No'. There's no denying 7 picks in two games, no matter how you spin it. Against the 49'ers, I viewed it more as just a chink in the Brees-armor, but one play in particular last night punched me in the face ... the dump pass over the middle to Sproles with no timeouts & 12 seconds left in the half.

It's one of those moments when you realize your heroes are just mortal ... like Superman and kryptonite, Darth Vader being Luke's father (not really, it's just one of those moments), like Peter Parker not using his superpowers to stop the thief that eventually killed his Uncle Ben ... they're all human and they all disappoint/letdown at some point.

The armor cracked ... at that moment, the moment Brees was seemingly not aware of the timeclock, was the moment the weight of the offseason, of Payton not being on the sidelines, of the 0-4 start, the contract negotiations, the pressure of trying to put the team on his shoulders ... it all came crashing down like a rogue wave and swept him out to sea (IMO) ... even if just for a moment. I felt for the guy, I truly did. That's the problem with people putting someone on a pedestal, they always let you down, eventually.

So yeah, I do feel a bit letdown ... not 'throw-under-the-bus' letdown, but more of a 'Drew Brees is human after all' letdown. I got no problem with his contract either, it ain't like he didn't do anything prior to negotiating it to deserve it. Benson didn't have to agree to it.

It is what it is. You bring a girl to the dance, you dance with her, even if she loses step now & then.

SaintsBro · 11-30-2012, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

' but one play in particular last night punched me in the face ... the dump pass over the middle to Sproles with no timeouts & 12 seconds left in the half.

It's one of those moments when you realize your heroes are just mortal ... like Superman and kryptonite

The armor cracked ... at that moment, the moment Brees was seemingly not aware of the timeclock, was the moment the weight of the offseason, of Payton not being on the sidelines, of the 0-4 start, the contract negotiations, the pressure of trying to put the team on his shoulders ... it all came crashing down like a rogue wave and swept him out to sea (IMO) ... even if just for a moment. I felt for the guy, I truly did. That's the problem with people putting someone on a pedestal, they always let you down, eventually.

Speaking of the Superman thing, I think that Brees WAS aware, he KNEW it was absurdly tight, but he honestly *thought* he could get to the line and miraculously spike it with less than 00:01 second left and they would give it to him. But of course he couldn't. And I don't think he even realized he couldn't, which is where it gets so dangerous.

The letdown is not that YOU realized Drew is mortal, Slo -- the letdown is that HE didn't realize it.

It has a lot to do with the "personality" of the team this year.

I think without Sean Payton around to ground them, and focus them, this team has kind of departed from reality. They were only one foot in reality with Payton anyway, or just barely touching the two toes in bounds before they went out into unreality and craziness, but now without Payton it's gotten dramatically worse. Dysfunctional even.

All the bad stuff that was inside their heads mentally, that Payton usually could keep in check, it all came out into the open this year, without him -- thinking they were invincible, the lackadaisical attitude on defense, the horrible playcalling and use of weapons, being kinda spoiled, players seemed to be expecting things to bounce their way and just happen automatically with ease for them. And mainly the hero trip that Drew gets on, where he only seems like he's happy if he's behind the 8 ball, or keeps making it harder and harder for himself.

So without Payton, Drew is the acknowledged leader of the team this year. Everyone agreed on that. And sure enough, Drew took that weird internal psychological thing he has -- the whole 5'11", back-against-the-wall, mountain-climbing, chip-on-the-shoulder, us-against-the-world mentality he's had his whole career -- and amplified it, he bought other guys into it, and he somehow drove the whole team into this ginormous hole with it, all season long, deeper and deeper. Almost blindly at times, like he couldn't see it happening.

SloMotion · 11-30-2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

... Dysfunctional even ... -- thinking they were invincible, the lackadaisical attitude on defense, the horrible playcalling and use of weapons, being kinda spoiled, players seemed to be expecting things to bounce their way and just happen automatically with ease for them ...

You mean, without Payton, they've become, <gasp>, the Falcons?

, say it isn't so! J/K and point taken, I appreciate the perspective,

.

11-30-2012, 06:27 AM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,655	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by TheOak Just for my own personal understanding. What you are saying is "don't have an opinion or personal view of people who have an opinion or a personal view"? Am I close? Nope not close at all Everyone can have their own views about eachother, I never said they couldn't But calling me a bandwagon fan because I'm saying brees is to blame is absurd

11-30-2012, 07:07 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by dizzle88 Nope not close at all Everyone can have their own views about eachother, I never said they couldn't But calling me a bandwagon fan because I'm saying brees is to blame is absurd You saying Brees it 100% to blame when a coach with a damned good running game decided to force a QB that is having an off night and throwing picks to keep throwing picks is absurd. Thomas was averaging 6 yards per carry and healthy. The run was abandoned because poor game management sent us into the 1/2 down by two scores. You blaming Brees for what was probably the tide turner for this game, abysmal clock and game management just before the 1/2 is absurd. Cause and effect (adj)- noting a relationship between actions or events such that one or more are the result of the other or others. In military terms - When your weapon is malfunctioning you go to another fkn weapon. On int 3 brees would have been benched for Daniels, and PT would have been the work horse. Rell&Gold likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

11-30-2012, 07:19 AM	#3
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by TheOak You saying Brees it 100% to blame when a coach with a damned good running game decided to force a QB that is having an off night and throwing picks to keep throwing picks is absurd. Thomas was averaging 6 yards per carry and healthy. The run was abandoned because poor game management sent us into the 1/2 down by two scores. You blaming Brees for what was probably the tide turner for this game, abysmal clock and game management just before the 1/2 is absurd. Cause and effect (adj)- noting a relationship between actions or events such that one or more are the result of the other or others. In military terms - When your weapon is malfunctioning you go to another fkn weapon. On int 3 brees would have been benched for Daniels, and PT would have been the work horse. I agree. The coaches should have never abandoned the run. It was working. Brees should not have had to throw so much. W. Kovacs and Rell&Gold like this.
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11-30-2012, 07:29 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by NonieT I agree. The coaches should have never abandoned the run. It was working. Brees should not have had to throw so much. He should have not been ALLOWED to throw so much.

11-30-2012, 07:49 AM	#5
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by dizzle88 Past two weeks have been completely on him 7 interceptions in two weeks when he'd only threw 9 all year 100 million dollars and a holdout, what a fantastic choice our team made Take the good with the bad, this is the choice our team has made. He sucked it up. But it was a great choice.

11-30-2012, 08:01 AM	#6
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Brees letting the team down Whether Drew should get a pass, because of the huge part he's been in the Saints success over the last 6 years and what a great representative he's been for this team and this franchise, is up to each individual fan. He may be your favorite player ever and the reason you watch football. But there's no denying that 7 interceptions in 2 games is unacceptable for any quarterback at just about any level. Crusader, SloMotion and Rell&Gold like this.

11-30-2012, 08:05 AM	#7
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,881 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Brees letting the team down I think this is Brees subliminal way of saying to Sean Payton "If you left for Dallas and Tony Romo was your QB, this is what it would look like!" Halo, TheKillerBs, Jamessr and 2 others like this.

11-30-2012, 08:10 AM	#8
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Brees letting the team down 'Yes' ... and 'No'. There's no denying 7 picks in two games, no matter how you spin it. Against the 49'ers, I viewed it more as just a chink in the Brees-armor, but one play in particular last night punched me in the face ... the dump pass over the middle to Sproles with no timeouts & 12 seconds left in the half. It's one of those moments when you realize your heroes are just mortal ... like Superman and kryptonite, Darth Vader being Luke's father (not really, it's just one of those moments), like Peter Parker not using his superpowers to stop the thief that eventually killed his Uncle Ben ... they're all human and they all disappoint/letdown at some point. The armor cracked ... at that moment, the moment Brees was seemingly not aware of the timeclock, was the moment the weight of the offseason, of Payton not being on the sidelines, of the 0-4 start, the contract negotiations, the pressure of trying to put the team on his shoulders ... it all came crashing down like a rogue wave and swept him out to sea (IMO) ... even if just for a moment. I felt for the guy, I truly did. That's the problem with people putting someone on a pedestal, they always let you down, eventually. So yeah, I do feel a bit letdown ... not 'throw-under-the-bus' letdown, but more of a 'Drew Brees is human after all' letdown. I got no problem with his contract either, it ain't like he didn't do anything prior to negotiating it to deserve it. Benson didn't have to agree to it. It is what it is. You bring a girl to the dance, you dance with her, even if she loses step now & then. Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.

11-30-2012, 10:10 AM	#9
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by SloMotion ' but one play in particular last night punched me in the face ... the dump pass over the middle to Sproles with no timeouts & 12 seconds left in the half. It's one of those moments when you realize your heroes are just mortal ... like Superman and kryptonite The armor cracked ... at that moment, the moment Brees was seemingly not aware of the timeclock, was the moment the weight of the offseason, of Payton not being on the sidelines, of the 0-4 start, the contract negotiations, the pressure of trying to put the team on his shoulders ... it all came crashing down like a rogue wave and swept him out to sea (IMO) ... even if just for a moment. I felt for the guy, I truly did. That's the problem with people putting someone on a pedestal, they always let you down, eventually. Speaking of the Superman thing, I think that Brees WAS aware, he KNEW it was absurdly tight, but he honestly thought he could get to the line and miraculously spike it with less than 00:01 second left and they would give it to him. But of course he couldn't. And I don't think he even realized he couldn't, which is where it gets so dangerous. The letdown is not that YOU realized Drew is mortal, Slo -- the letdown is that HE didn't realize it. It has a lot to do with the "personality" of the team this year. I think without Sean Payton around to ground them, and focus them, this team has kind of departed from reality. They were only one foot in reality with Payton anyway, or just barely touching the two toes in bounds before they went out into unreality and craziness, but now without Payton it's gotten dramatically worse. Dysfunctional even. All the bad stuff that was inside their heads mentally, that Payton usually could keep in check, it all came out into the open this year, without him -- thinking they were invincible, the lackadaisical attitude on defense, the horrible playcalling and use of weapons, being kinda spoiled, players seemed to be expecting things to bounce their way and just happen automatically with ease for them. And mainly the hero trip that Drew gets on, where he only seems like he's happy if he's behind the 8 ball, or keeps making it harder and harder for himself. So without Payton, Drew is the acknowledged leader of the team this year. Everyone agreed on that. And sure enough, Drew took that weird internal psychological thing he has -- the whole 5'11", back-against-the-wall, mountain-climbing, chip-on-the-shoulder, us-against-the-world mentality he's had his whole career -- and amplified it, he bought other guys into it, and he somehow drove the whole team into this ginormous hole with it, all season long, deeper and deeper. Almost blindly at times, like he couldn't see it happening.

11-30-2012, 10:16 AM	#10
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by SaintsBro ... Dysfunctional even ... -- thinking they were invincible, the lackadaisical attitude on defense, the horrible playcalling and use of weapons, being kinda spoiled, players seemed to be expecting things to bounce their way and just happen automatically with ease for them ... You mean, without Payton, they've become, <gasp>, the Falcons? , say it isn't so! J/K and point taken, I appreciate the perspective, .

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