Brees letting the team down

Rell&Gold · 11-30-2012, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by frankeefrank

I could not agree with this post more.
In Drew Brees, I see a guy who is giving everything he has to help this team win. That has caused him to in sports terms "try do too much."
Quarterbacks throw interceptions. Just like offensive lineman give up sacks, safeties have interceptions go through their hands, linebackers miss tackles, wide receivers drop passes in the end zone and coaches call the plays in a wrong series or at the wrong time.
All of which happened last night. This was a team loss. Sure Drew did more of his part to make the loss happen, but that's because nobody on this team is capable of taking the burden off his shoulders. Teams win games when their QB's don't play well, see Atlanta, this is not one of those teams. Hasn't been in a while.

To me one of the more reasonable & realistic post...that game wasn't over until it was over but yea could not have said it better

burningmetal · 11-30-2012, 09:52 PM

I see there are a lot of the expected excuses still being given out for Brees today. He tried too hard, the line wasn't good, we abandoned the run game, etc. Look, I've taken turns blaming the O-line, the receivers, the coaches, and the defense. But lastnight the defense was fine, the blocking gave him plenty of time, by their standards, and the clock management was on him, not the coaches. As for abandoning the run, that tends to happen when you're playing from behind, but I agree that we should have fed PT more. But did anybody notice how many yards we were piling up in both the run and passing game? It's not like there weren't open receivers. This guy is not the highest paid QB in NFL history to hand just sit back and hand off when he's having a bad game. The throws were there, and you expect your franchise quarterback to make those plays, but he simply failed to do so. Please don't insult anyone's intelligence by trying to blame 5 picks, and a lot of would be picks, on the coaches.

FinSaint · 12-01-2012, 01:03 AM

I'm not going to say much about this since after last game it became frustrating to try and criticize Brees' performance and to discuss it with some, even though I still feel that the criticism was warranted.

The thing that bothers me about Brees' play in the last two games - without placing any particular blame on him about the outcomes of the games themselves - is that he seems to hold on to the ball for too long, or at least longer than I'm used to seeing him hold on to it in the past. This was much more evident in the 49ers game where Kaepernick was much faster in getting the ball out of his hands than Brees was, but I think it was still an issue this week. It could naturally be that all his receivers were covered in the backfield and he wanted to give them more time to create some separation from the defenders, but there has to be a time when you just give up on the play and throw the ball out of bounds to play another snap.

Another thing that has been somewhat worrisome is that he hasn't been throwing the ball with the same accuracy he has been in the past, or at least it feels like it. Now, it might just be a chemistry thing and/or an issue with the timing inside the plays, but nevertheless it has been present in recent games. Also, his arm strength hasn't maybe deteriorated per se, but he still throws some of those long balls way too short, which makes it hard for the receivers like Henderson and Morgan to use the separation they've created, because they have to put their brakes on and come back to the ball instead of running to the ball. Morgan has made some circus-type catches out of these situations, but it was only a few games ago when Morgan was slightly injured because of one such play.

I know Brees will elevate his level of performances in the coming weeks, but sadly the outcome of these last two games has pretty much determined Saints' fate in the playoff run, so the damage is already done.

NOS2SB · 12-01-2012, 02:18 AM

Carmichael doesn't throw the ball.

NOS2SB · 12-01-2012, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Drew's not the only person to blame. Some of it is on Carmichael's shoulders; him and his pedestrian play calling! He needs to not abandon the run, especially when its working. This is the second week in the row he's done that and as a result Drew has to throw the ball more than he needs to.

Got it, but Carmicheal doesn't throw the ball. If Brees is asked to throw the ball more, he is a professional and should know when to throw it away.

Crusader · 12-01-2012, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Another thing that has been somewhat worrisome is that he hasn't been throwing the ball with the same accuracy he has been in the past, or at least it feels like it. Now, it might just be a chemistry thing and/or an issue with the timing inside the plays, but nevertheless it has been present in recent games. Also, his arm strength hasn't maybe deteriorated per se, but he still throws some of those long balls way too short, which makes it hard for the receivers like Henderson and Morgan to use the separation they've created, because they have to put their brakes on and come back to the ball instead of running to the ball. Morgan has made some circus-type catches out of these situations, but it was only a few games ago when Morgan was slightly injured because of one such play.

It not just a feeling but also a stat. Last year Brees completed 71.2% of his passes. This year he is at 61.8% almost a good 10 points lower. This is also his lowest since he got to the Saints, you have to go back all the way to 2003 for him to have a lower completion Drops has been a bigger problem this year than before but thats not the whole story.

This year so far Brees has been throwing the football 41 times per game. Last year when he set the NFL record for passing yards in a season and completion percentage he threw the football 41.0625 times per game.

Saint_LB · 12-01-2012, 08:09 AM

I don't know...a lot of people giving credit to SP. Possibly...but he has never actually been on the field at the same time with Drew.

My common sense says that it has more to do with who is not on the field and less to do with who is not on the sideline...but that's just my guess.

Then, when you ask why they are not on the field, I can give you 20 million reasons.

Boutte · 12-02-2012, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Past two weeks have been completely on him

7 interceptions in two weeks when he'd only threw 9 all year

100 million dollars and a holdout, what a fantastic choice our team made

Nothing personal but this post is absurd. What other decision do you think the team should have made? Let him walk?

AlaskaSaints · 12-02-2012, 11:55 AM

Sit him. There's no QB in the league who wouldn't sit after 7 turnovers in 2 games.

His magical run is OVER.

Let's see Chase Daniel the rest of the season. He needs playing time.

And yes, this is absurd, but I'm serious. Sit him and show him just how human he is.

Alaska

SapperSaint · 12-02-2012, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

I don't know...a lot of people giving credit to SP. Possibly...but he has never actually been on the field at the same time with Drew.

My common sense says that it has more to do with who is not on the field and less to do with who is not on the sideline...but that's just my guess.

Then, when you ask why they are not on the field, I can give you 20 million reasons.

Well, my oldest daughter plays fastpitch softball. Both High School and Travel Team. She has told me that she doesn't like it when I am not at her games. She says she feels relaxed knowing I am on the outside of the fence. I feel sure the same goes for Drew and the relationship he has with Sean.

I think Sean is Drew's security blanket. He (Drew) knows if he doesn't have the answer, Sean does. That in itself is comforting for an athletic leader, in any sport. Drew doesn't have that this year. He has taken it upon himself to be THE leader, and not just as a QB.

Now; did I cuss those 7 INT's? You bet butt I did. But, I understand what is going on to a certain extent.

By the way LB, this wasn't an arguement for your post. It was just a good example of what I was trying to get across.

11-30-2012, 08:21 PM	#51
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by frankeefrank I could not agree with this post more. In Drew Brees, I see a guy who is giving everything he has to help this team win. That has caused him to in sports terms "try do too much." Quarterbacks throw interceptions. Just like offensive lineman give up sacks, safeties have interceptions go through their hands, linebackers miss tackles, wide receivers drop passes in the end zone and coaches call the plays in a wrong series or at the wrong time. All of which happened last night. This was a team loss. Sure Drew did more of his part to make the loss happen, but that's because nobody on this team is capable of taking the burden off his shoulders. Teams win games when their QB's don't play well, see Atlanta, this is not one of those teams. Hasn't been in a while. To me one of the more reasonable & realistic post...that game wasn't over until it was over but yea could not have said it better

11-30-2012, 09:52 PM	#52
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brees letting the team down I see there are a lot of the expected excuses still being given out for Brees today. He tried too hard, the line wasn't good, we abandoned the run game, etc. Look, I've taken turns blaming the O-line, the receivers, the coaches, and the defense. But lastnight the defense was fine, the blocking gave him plenty of time, by their standards, and the clock management was on him, not the coaches. As for abandoning the run, that tends to happen when you're playing from behind, but I agree that we should have fed PT more. But did anybody notice how many yards we were piling up in both the run and passing game? It's not like there weren't open receivers. This guy is not the highest paid QB in NFL history to hand just sit back and hand off when he's having a bad game. The throws were there, and you expect your franchise quarterback to make those plays, but he simply failed to do so. Please don't insult anyone's intelligence by trying to blame 5 picks, and a lot of would be picks, on the coaches.
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12-01-2012, 01:03 AM	#53
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Brees letting the team down I'm not going to say much about this since after last game it became frustrating to try and criticize Brees' performance and to discuss it with some, even though I still feel that the criticism was warranted. The thing that bothers me about Brees' play in the last two games - without placing any particular blame on him about the outcomes of the games themselves - is that he seems to hold on to the ball for too long, or at least longer than I'm used to seeing him hold on to it in the past. This was much more evident in the 49ers game where Kaepernick was much faster in getting the ball out of his hands than Brees was, but I think it was still an issue this week. It could naturally be that all his receivers were covered in the backfield and he wanted to give them more time to create some separation from the defenders, but there has to be a time when you just give up on the play and throw the ball out of bounds to play another snap. Another thing that has been somewhat worrisome is that he hasn't been throwing the ball with the same accuracy he has been in the past, or at least it feels like it. Now, it might just be a chemistry thing and/or an issue with the timing inside the plays, but nevertheless it has been present in recent games. Also, his arm strength hasn't maybe deteriorated per se, but he still throws some of those long balls way too short, which makes it hard for the receivers like Henderson and Morgan to use the separation they've created, because they have to put their brakes on and come back to the ball instead of running to the ball. Morgan has made some circus-type catches out of these situations, but it was only a few games ago when Morgan was slightly injured because of one such play. I know Brees will elevate his level of performances in the coming weeks, but sadly the outcome of these last two games has pretty much determined Saints' fate in the playoff run, so the damage is already done. burningmetal likes this.
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12-01-2012, 02:18 AM	#54
NOS2SB Shampoo Join Date: May 2011 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 454	Re: Brees letting the team down Carmichael doesn't throw the ball.

12-01-2012, 02:20 AM	#55
NOS2SB Shampoo Join Date: May 2011 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 454	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by NonieT Drew's not the only person to blame. Some of it is on Carmichael's shoulders; him and his pedestrian play calling! He needs to not abandon the run, especially when its working. This is the second week in the row he's done that and as a result Drew has to throw the ball more than he needs to. Got it, but Carmicheal doesn't throw the ball. If Brees is asked to throw the ball more, he is a professional and should know when to throw it away.

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12-01-2012, 03:39 AM	#56
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by FinSaint Another thing that has been somewhat worrisome is that he hasn't been throwing the ball with the same accuracy he has been in the past, or at least it feels like it. Now, it might just be a chemistry thing and/or an issue with the timing inside the plays, but nevertheless it has been present in recent games. Also, his arm strength hasn't maybe deteriorated per se, but he still throws some of those long balls way too short, which makes it hard for the receivers like Henderson and Morgan to use the separation they've created, because they have to put their brakes on and come back to the ball instead of running to the ball. Morgan has made some circus-type catches out of these situations, but it was only a few games ago when Morgan was slightly injured because of one such play. It not just a feeling but also a stat. Last year Brees completed 71.2% of his passes. This year he is at 61.8% almost a good 10 points lower. This is also his lowest since he got to the Saints, you have to go back all the way to 2003 for him to have a lower completion Drops has been a bigger problem this year than before but thats not the whole story. This year so far Brees has been throwing the football 41 times per game. Last year when he set the NFL record for passing yards in a season and completion percentage he threw the football 41.0625 times per game.
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12-01-2012, 08:09 AM	#57
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: Brees letting the team down I don't know...a lot of people giving credit to SP. Possibly...but he has never actually been on the field at the same time with Drew. My common sense says that it has more to do with who is not on the field and less to do with who is not on the sideline...but that's just my guess. Then, when you ask why they are not on the field, I can give you 20 million reasons.
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12-02-2012, 11:34 AM	#58
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by dizzle88 Past two weeks have been completely on him 7 interceptions in two weeks when he'd only threw 9 all year 100 million dollars and a holdout, what a fantastic choice our team made Nothing personal but this post is absurd. What other decision do you think the team should have made? Let him walk? TheOak likes this.

12-02-2012, 11:55 AM	#59
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Brees letting the team down Sit him. There's no QB in the league who wouldn't sit after 7 turnovers in 2 games. His magical run is OVER. Let's see Chase Daniel the rest of the season. He needs playing time. And yes, this is absurd, but I'm serious. Sit him and show him just how human he is. Alaska

12-02-2012, 12:08 PM	#60
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by Saint_LB I don't know...a lot of people giving credit to SP. Possibly...but he has never actually been on the field at the same time with Drew. My common sense says that it has more to do with who is not on the field and less to do with who is not on the sideline...but that's just my guess. Then, when you ask why they are not on the field, I can give you 20 million reasons. Well, my oldest daughter plays fastpitch softball. Both High School and Travel Team. She has told me that she doesn't like it when I am not at her games. She says she feels relaxed knowing I am on the outside of the fence. I feel sure the same goes for Drew and the relationship he has with Sean. I think Sean is Drew's security blanket. He (Drew) knows if he doesn't have the answer, Sean does. That in itself is comforting for an athletic leader, in any sport. Drew doesn't have that this year. He has taken it upon himself to be THE leader, and not just as a QB. Now; did I cuss those 7 INT's? You bet butt I did. But, I understand what is going on to a certain extent. By the way LB, this wasn't an arguement for your post. It was just a good example of what I was trying to get across.
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