Brees letting the team down

Budsdrinker · 11-30-2012, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by BusDriver

Graham penalty & Moore drop were big, if both those hadn't happened it would have been 21-17 at one point. It didn't happen that way, those that could have helped take the pressure off Brees didn't, they made mistakes too. It was a team loss & no one was perfect, but the defense played pretty good for the most part. I wish Harper would wrap up guys instead of shoulder tackling but he's a pro & I'm a fan.

The problem with the Graham penalty is that play is a timing screen to Sproles.
For whatever reason Drew held the ball an extra second and Graham had his back towards the play. He couldn't see that the ball wasn't already thrown which is why it was a penalty. If Drew throws that ball 1/2 second sooner, it becomes a block not a penalty. It was a real ticky tack call because it didn't effect the play but by rule Graham couldn't touch the defender while the ball is in the air. But again Drew was late on throws all night.

Jamessr · 11-30-2012, 10:38 AM

you wouldn think this is the 70's because freaking carmicheal isn't speaking to drew over the mic in his helmet. I don't even know why that guy shows up to work

UK_WhoDat · 11-30-2012, 12:41 PM

It is always the TEAM that wins and the TEAM that loses. Just that in Saints recent history often times Brees gets the plaudits when we win more so than the TEAM or any other individual.

So I think it is fair also to look at Brees and / or other on-field captains and / or the coaches holding clipboards on the sidelines when we lose. And in this game and the one last week, Brees is at least highly contributory to our losses.

Did you read what I said

in this game and the one last week

.
I did not say he was no good for our TEAM now or at any time previously. He messed up in those 2 games and there shoud be no "ifs", "buts" etc about other games because I am talking about 2 games in particular.
It is a real shame because he helped pull us back into an unlikely chance for play-offs but in a flash put us out.

SapperSaint · 11-30-2012, 02:01 PM

This was just an ugly game. PT was the only bright spot during the game.

The defense STILL can't tackle and weithout Sean, Drew is lost.

I am not giving up on the season, but I am so ready for Sean to be back.

SaintsBro · 11-30-2012, 02:38 PM

Well Drew, Carmichael, Vitt, Sproles, they all just get this panicky, jittery, frantic look about them, and then you already know it's over. Very 2008-ish. Then they start in with Cadet taking out every kickoff, even from the white backline, he plows into people on like the 11 yard line, and the field position gets worse and worse and the hole gets even deeper. It's very predictable.

It starts with THE PANIC. You can see it happen. And normally, Payton doesn't panic. That's what's so immensely frustrating.

TheOak · 11-30-2012, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Well Drew, Carmichael, Vitt, Sproles, they all just get this panicky, jittery, frantic look about them, and then you already know it's over. Very 2008-ish. Then they start in with Cadet taking out every kickoff, even from the white backline, he plows into people on like the 11 yard line, and the field position gets worse and worse and the hole gets even deeper. It's very predictable.

It starts with THE PANIC. You can see it happen. And normally, Payton doesn't panic. That's what's so immensely frustrating.

Go back and watch all of the kickoff returns this season.

Sproles doesn't take it out.
Cadet takes it out...

Both are true damn near 100% of the time.

QBREES9 · 11-30-2012, 03:16 PM

Again we win as a team. And we lose as a team. Can we end this bull.

woz30 · 11-30-2012, 03:26 PM

Falcon fan here & from my perspective Brees has not let you down this year. Goodell did. I think NFL HQ should refund your season tix holders a good chunk of their $$$$ back.

Mardigras9 · 11-30-2012, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by woz30

Falcon fan here & from my perspective Brees has not let you down this year. Goodell did. I think NFL HQ should refund your season tix holders a good chunk of their $$$$ back.

A rational Falcon fan who made a post that makes sense about Brees? The Mayan's were right i guess. Well it's been fun.

QBREES9 · 11-30-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by woz30

Falcon fan here & from my perspective Brees has not let you down this year. Goodell did. I think NFL HQ should refund your season tix holders a good chunk of their $$$$ back.

Congrat to your boys. Good luck the rest of the way. Drew has not and will not ever let us down. Thank You.

11-30-2012, 01:50 PM	#1
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by BusDriver Graham penalty & Moore drop were big, if both those hadn't happened it would have been 21-17 at one point. It didn't happen that way, those that could have helped take the pressure off Brees didn't, they made mistakes too. It was a team loss & no one was perfect, but the defense played pretty good for the most part. I wish Harper would wrap up guys instead of shoulder tackling but he's a pro & I'm a fan. The problem with the Graham penalty is that play is a timing screen to Sproles. For whatever reason Drew held the ball an extra second and Graham had his back towards the play. He couldn't see that the ball wasn't already thrown which is why it was a penalty. If Drew throws that ball 1/2 second sooner, it becomes a block not a penalty. It was a real ticky tack call because it didn't effect the play but by rule Graham couldn't touch the defender while the ball is in the air. But again Drew was late on throws all night.

11-30-2012, 10:38 AM	#2
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Brees letting the team down you wouldn think this is the 70's because freaking carmicheal isn't speaking to drew over the mic in his helmet. I don't even know why that guy shows up to work

11-30-2012, 12:41 PM	#3
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,004	Re: Brees letting the team down It is always the TEAM that wins and the TEAM that loses. Just that in Saints recent history often times Brees gets the plaudits when we win more so than the TEAM or any other individual. So I think it is fair also to look at Brees and / or other on-field captains and / or the coaches holding clipboards on the sidelines when we lose. And in this game and the one last week, Brees is at least highly contributory to our losses. Did you read what I said in this game and the one last week . I did not say he was no good for our TEAM now or at any time previously. He messed up in those 2 games and there shoud be no "ifs", "buts" etc about other games because I am talking about 2 games in particular. It is a real shame because he helped pull us back into an unlikely chance for play-offs but in a flash put us out. FinSaint likes this.
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11-30-2012, 02:01 PM	#4
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Brees letting the team down This was just an ugly game. PT was the only bright spot during the game. The defense STILL can't tackle and weithout Sean, Drew is lost. I am not giving up on the season, but I am so ready for Sean to be back.

11-30-2012, 02:38 PM	#5
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brees letting the team down Well Drew, Carmichael, Vitt, Sproles, they all just get this panicky, jittery, frantic look about them, and then you already know it's over. Very 2008-ish. Then they start in with Cadet taking out every kickoff, even from the white backline, he plows into people on like the 11 yard line, and the field position gets worse and worse and the hole gets even deeper. It's very predictable. It starts with THE PANIC. You can see it happen. And normally, Payton doesn't panic. That's what's so immensely frustrating. saintsfan403 likes this.

11-30-2012, 02:40 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by SaintsBro Well Drew, Carmichael, Vitt, Sproles, they all just get this panicky, jittery, frantic look about them, and then you already know it's over. Very 2008-ish. Then they start in with Cadet taking out every kickoff, even from the white backline, he plows into people on like the 11 yard line, and the field position gets worse and worse and the hole gets even deeper. It's very predictable. It starts with THE PANIC. You can see it happen. And normally, Payton doesn't panic. That's what's so immensely frustrating. Go back and watch all of the kickoff returns this season. Sproles doesn't take it out. Cadet takes it out... Both are true damn near 100% of the time.

11-30-2012, 03:16 PM	#7
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,990	Re: Brees letting the team down Again we win as a team. And we lose as a team. Can we end this bull. Rell&Gold likes this.

11-30-2012, 03:26 PM	#8
woz30 Rookie Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 16	Re: Brees letting the team down Falcon fan here & from my perspective Brees has not let you down this year. Goodell did. I think NFL HQ should refund your season tix holders a good chunk of their $$$$ back. SapperSaint, RockyMountainSaint, Crusader and 1 others like this.
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11-30-2012, 03:33 PM	#9
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by woz30 Falcon fan here & from my perspective Brees has not let you down this year. Goodell did. I think NFL HQ should refund your season tix holders a good chunk of their $$$$ back. A rational Falcon fan who made a post that makes sense about Brees? The Mayan's were right i guess. Well it's been fun. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

11-30-2012, 03:37 PM	#10
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,990	Re: Brees letting the team down Originally Posted by woz30 Falcon fan here & from my perspective Brees has not let you down this year. Goodell did. I think NFL HQ should refund your season tix holders a good chunk of their $$$$ back. Congrat to your boys. Good luck the rest of the way. Drew has not and will not ever let us down. Thank You. Rell&Gold likes this.

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