Loss to Atlanta (My Take)

TheOak · 11-30-2012, 08:28 AM

My take, and I will defend it all day.

To lay this all on one person, any one person is just blind rage. The loss starts at the top.

As important as this game was:

Vitt-
When Drew threw int# 3 he should have been benched for Daniels.
In military terms - When your weapon is malfunctioning you go to another weapon. (period)

Carmicheal -
When you have a running game and PT is ave 6 YPC you don't abandon it.. You stupid man
You certainly do not abandon it for a QB that is having a very off night, not reading the field, and throwing interceptions left and right.

You blind bats that say Drew was only trying to save his streak need to come to terms with the fact that his FKN coach was making most of the play calling, and should have seen Drew having an off night and taken the remaining play calling out of his hands.

The INTs were ALL Drew, to not take the ball out of his hands and stop the madness is all COACH.

This loss is all lack of Sean Payton. Vitt and Carmicheal watched from the sidelines, as play by play the offense imploded and didn't change a thing except to put the ball into the hands of the player having the worst game of his career more.

Its easy in passionate rage to point the finger at players that are having a bad night... Try and step back and see the big picture... Try and do something our coaches on the field couldn't do...

Drew was the punctured artery, instead of stopping the bleeding, the coached started doing chest compressions making the bleeding worse.

Pete and Joe... You two need to need to learn how to react to what you see unfolding right in front of your faces. You both lack any sort of vision and neither of you is a leader.

The nail in the coffin was the abysmal clock and game management just before the 1/2. Coming out of the 1/2 against a team that pulls wins out of its azz in the 4th qtr down by two scores is what made heckle and Jeckle abandon the running game.

PHUCK you Goodell for taking our coach!

To Goodell and the league

YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL! - YouTube

44Champs · 11-30-2012, 08:48 AM

You are right on point about the running game - I have no idea why Carmichael abandoned it when Pierre was tearing it up. All I can attribute that to is this: Panic. A cooler, more confident coach wouldve kept pounding the rock to open up the pass. Falcons knew we were gonna pass, pass, pass - so they oinned their ears back and went after Drew.
One more thing - Strief sucked last nite. I wouldve rather had Garret Hartley playing RT.

Utah_Saint · 11-30-2012, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

... - Strief sucked last nite. I wouldve rather had Garret Hartley playing RT.

At the rate the tackles are getting injured, we just might see Hartley at RT.

NuNu318 · 11-30-2012, 09:08 AM

Everything you said is exactly the reason Benson needs to give Sean Payton a blank check in the coming weeks....there would have been no clock management problems at the half, never would have abandoned the running game when getting 6yds a pop, would have took Brees aside and calmed him down after the 2nd INT and started calling some simple short routes and screens to keep it simple and pick them apart.

I just don't get why the abandoned the run....the D played their best game of the yr IMO. There was plenty of time left in that 2nd half to calm down run the ball and use play action. And I KNEW that Strief was going to be a dud coming back...there was no reason to have him on the field trying to stop Abraham on a bad groin even with chip help. And now we can honestly say that maybe Charles Brown isnt the bust we thought he was. He's quicker on his feet and more athletic and its clear that is what we need.

I can't sit here and put it ALL on Brees he takes at least 45-50% but the coaching was horrible. No awarness of the situation....relying on Drew to make all the decisions when clearly sometimes he needs to be reigned in when he's pressing too hard to get something done. Thats why Drew NEED Sean Payton. Carmichael is just the guy that helps draws up plays...SP is the one that deals with Drew. Knows how to talk to him and walks that fine line between friend and authority figure. In a way Sean Payton IS Drew's QB conscience. His balance. He brings him back off that ledge and keeps him from falling off but also has the balls to push Brees to get that killer instinct and just go for it.

Jamessr · 11-30-2012, 09:36 AM

I agree with some points. However you don't bench people like Manning, Brady, Rogers or Brees unless they're hurt... Thats it.
Brees threw 5 interceptions for multiple reason.
1. lack of a running game
2. abandoning the running game early.
3. falling behind and feeling the need to strike the end zone every play.
4. Recievers don't do jack **** to stop a ball from being intercepted( before anyone calls out a single play i realize this can't be done for all.. but the endzone interception caould have been prevented by our reciever!)
5. using the wrong running back
6. dropping all our hopes of winning on drew.

I'm the 1st to blame Drew for his poor performance but I would NEVER bench him. That send the wrong message in so many I couldn't imagine.

NonieT · 11-30-2012, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

My take, and I will defend it all day.

To lay this all on one person, any one person is just blind rage. The loss starts at the top.

As important as this game was:

Vitt-
When Drew threw int# 3 he should have been benched for Daniels.
In military terms - When your weapon is malfunctioning you go to another weapon. (period)

Carmicheal -
When you have a running game and PT is ave 6 YPC you don't abandon it.. You stupid man
You certainly do not abandon it for a QB that is having a very off night, not reading the field, and throwing interceptions left and right.

You blind bats that say Drew was only trying to save his streak need to come to terms with the fact that his FKN coach was making most of the play calling, and should have seen Drew having an off night and taken the remaining play calling out of his hands.

The INTs were ALL Drew, to not take the ball out of his hands and stop the madness is all COACH.

This loss is all lack of Sean Payton. Vitt and Carmicheal watched from the sidelines, as play by play the offense imploded and didn't change a thing except to put the ball into the hands of the player having the worst game of his career more.

Its easy in passionate rage to point the finger at players that are having a bad night... Try and step back and see the big picture... Try and do something our coaches on the field couldn't do...

Drew was the punctured artery, instead of stopping the bleeding, the coached started doing chest compressions making the bleeding worse.

Pete and Joe... You two need to need to learn how to react to what you see unfolding right in front of your faces. You both lack any sort of vision and neither of you is a leader.

The nail in the coffin was the abysmal clock and game management just before the 1/2. Coming out of the 1/2 against a team that pulls wins out of its azz in the 4th qtr down by two scores is what made heckle and Jeckle abandon the running game.

PHUCK you Goodell for taking our coach!

To Goodell and the league
YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL! - YouTube

AMEN!

Mardigras9 · 11-30-2012, 09:40 AM

Agree with all but benching Drew. He gives us the best chance to win. Adjustments needed to be made to give him more time or get the ball out quicker. Missed blocking killed most parts of the offensive gameplan. Jimmy Graham was a non-factor.

Danno · 11-30-2012, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Agree with all but benching Drew. He gives us the best chance to win. Adjustments needed to be made to give him more time or get the ball out quicker. Missed blocking killed most parts of the offensive gameplan. Jimmy Graham was a non-factor.

And thats 2 games in a row Jimmy was virtually invisible. The few times I saw him last night he looked a little slower than usual. I wonder if he's hurt. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear he's got that damn sports hernia thing.

I also think benching Drew would be a mistake, but his throws were way off last night.

cmsaint · 11-30-2012, 09:49 AM

Cant bench Drew PERIOD. He still gives us the best shot. We still had a decent shot to win this game with all the turnovers. We convert before half its a whole new ball game. And for CHRIST'S sake why the hell we abonded PT and the run is beyond me. Thats ALL coaching.

One bright spot is the D, they looked pretty good last night despite the first few atl series.

SloMotion · 11-30-2012, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

... you don't bench people like Manning, Brady, Rogers or Brees unless they're hurt...

That's kinda' what I've been looking for, the reason why you leave a QB in there in a game like this. It ain't like your dealing with Jake Locker, Tim Tebow, Chad Henne or have an alternative in Daniels who's going to come in and be a game changer. Drew's an 'elite' QB, you gotta' let him take the heat.

Once again, the importance of not having a head coach is hammered home ... Guck Foodell.

11-30-2012, 08:48 AM	#2
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	You are right on point about the running game - I have no idea why Carmichael abandoned it when Pierre was tearing it up. All I can attribute that to is this: Panic. A cooler, more confident coach wouldve kept pounding the rock to open up the pass. Falcons knew we were gonna pass, pass, pass - so they oinned their ears back and went after Drew. One more thing - Strief sucked last nite. I wouldve rather had Garret Hartley playing RT.
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11-30-2012, 09:07 AM	#3
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Loss to Atlanta (My Take) Originally Posted by 44Champs ... - Strief sucked last nite. I wouldve rather had Garret Hartley playing RT. At the rate the tackles are getting injured, we just might see Hartley at RT.

11-30-2012, 09:08 AM	#4
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	Re: Loss to Atlanta (My Take) Everything you said is exactly the reason Benson needs to give Sean Payton a blank check in the coming weeks....there would have been no clock management problems at the half, never would have abandoned the running game when getting 6yds a pop, would have took Brees aside and calmed him down after the 2nd INT and started calling some simple short routes and screens to keep it simple and pick them apart. I just don't get why the abandoned the run....the D played their best game of the yr IMO. There was plenty of time left in that 2nd half to calm down run the ball and use play action. And I KNEW that Strief was going to be a dud coming back...there was no reason to have him on the field trying to stop Abraham on a bad groin even with chip help. And now we can honestly say that maybe Charles Brown isnt the bust we thought he was. He's quicker on his feet and more athletic and its clear that is what we need. I can't sit here and put it ALL on Brees he takes at least 45-50% but the coaching was horrible. No awarness of the situation....relying on Drew to make all the decisions when clearly sometimes he needs to be reigned in when he's pressing too hard to get something done. Thats why Drew NEED Sean Payton. Carmichael is just the guy that helps draws up plays...SP is the one that deals with Drew. Knows how to talk to him and walks that fine line between friend and authority figure. In a way Sean Payton IS Drew's QB conscience. His balance. He brings him back off that ledge and keeps him from falling off but also has the balls to push Brees to get that killer instinct and just go for it. Rell&Gold likes this.

11-30-2012, 09:36 AM	#5
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Loss to Atlanta (My Take) I agree with some points. However you don't bench people like Manning, Brady, Rogers or Brees unless they're hurt... Thats it. Brees threw 5 interceptions for multiple reason. 1. lack of a running game 2. abandoning the running game early. 3. falling behind and feeling the need to strike the end zone every play. 4. Recievers don't do jack **** to stop a ball from being intercepted( before anyone calls out a single play i realize this can't be done for all.. but the endzone interception caould have been prevented by our reciever!) 5. using the wrong running back 6. dropping all our hopes of winning on drew. I'm the 1st to blame Drew for his poor performance but I would NEVER bench him. That send the wrong message in so many I couldn't imagine.
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11-30-2012, 09:37 AM	#6
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Loss to Atlanta (My Take) Originally Posted by TheOak My take, and I will defend it all day. To lay this all on one person, any one person is just blind rage. The loss starts at the top. As important as this game was: Vitt- When Drew threw int# 3 he should have been benched for Daniels. In military terms - When your weapon is malfunctioning you go to another weapon. (period) Carmicheal - When you have a running game and PT is ave 6 YPC you don't abandon it.. You stupid man You certainly do not abandon it for a QB that is having a very off night, not reading the field, and throwing interceptions left and right. You blind bats that say Drew was only trying to save his streak need to come to terms with the fact that his FKN coach was making most of the play calling, and should have seen Drew having an off night and taken the remaining play calling out of his hands. The INTs were ALL Drew, to not take the ball out of his hands and stop the madness is all COACH. This loss is all lack of Sean Payton. Vitt and Carmicheal watched from the sidelines, as play by play the offense imploded and didn't change a thing except to put the ball into the hands of the player having the worst game of his career more. Its easy in passionate rage to point the finger at players that are having a bad night... Try and step back and see the big picture... Try and do something our coaches on the field couldn't do... Drew was the punctured artery, instead of stopping the bleeding, the coached started doing chest compressions making the bleeding worse. Pete and Joe... You two need to need to learn how to react to what you see unfolding right in front of your faces. You both lack any sort of vision and neither of you is a leader. The nail in the coffin was the abysmal clock and game management just before the 1/2. Coming out of the 1/2 against a team that pulls wins out of its azz in the 4th qtr down by two scores is what made heckle and Jeckle abandon the running game. PHUCK you Goodell for taking our coach! To Goodell and the league YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL! - YouTube AMEN!
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11-30-2012, 09:40 AM	#7
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Loss to Atlanta (My Take) Agree with all but benching Drew. He gives us the best chance to win. Adjustments needed to be made to give him more time or get the ball out quicker. Missed blocking killed most parts of the offensive gameplan. Jimmy Graham was a non-factor.

11-30-2012, 09:44 AM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,734	Re: Loss to Atlanta (My Take) Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Agree with all but benching Drew. He gives us the best chance to win. Adjustments needed to be made to give him more time or get the ball out quicker. Missed blocking killed most parts of the offensive gameplan. Jimmy Graham was a non-factor. And thats 2 games in a row Jimmy was virtually invisible. The few times I saw him last night he looked a little slower than usual. I wonder if he's hurt. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear he's got that damn sports hernia thing. I also think benching Drew would be a mistake, but his throws were way off last night. SmashMouth likes this.

11-30-2012, 09:49 AM	#9
cmsaint 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Atlanta :/ Posts: 126	Re: Loss to Atlanta (My Take) Cant bench Drew PERIOD. He still gives us the best shot. We still had a decent shot to win this game with all the turnovers. We convert before half its a whole new ball game. And for CHRIST'S sake why the hell we abonded PT and the run is beyond me. Thats ALL coaching. One bright spot is the D, they looked pretty good last night despite the first few atl series.

11-30-2012, 09:56 AM	#10
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Loss to Atlanta (My Take) Originally Posted by Jamessr ... you don't bench people like Manning, Brady, Rogers or Brees unless they're hurt... That's kinda' what I've been looking for, the reason why you leave a QB in there in a game like this. It ain't like your dealing with Jake Locker, Tim Tebow, Chad Henne or have an alternative in Daniels who's going to come in and be a game changer. Drew's an 'elite' QB, you gotta' let him take the heat. Once again, the importance of not having a head coach is hammered home ... Guck Foodell.

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