Drew's Arm

dizzle88 · 12-03-2012, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yes he did... Graham on the other hand, on curl routs does not come back for the ball.. He had a few batted away against Atl for that... Thats not just my observation, that came direct from the commentator booth also.

That's something coach Payton would be getting in Graham's face for Aswell, if SP was on the sideline graham would learn his lesson real quick

When you learn a curl route the first things they teach you are; quickly breakdown to not let the DB gain ground on you and always come back to the pass incase the DB has made a step on the ball while its in the air

Fundamentals have been killing us this year

Jamessr · 12-03-2012, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Fundamentals have been killing us this year

Coach Payton's last instrcutions was to do your job. However the teams mindset is exactly what you just said.

TheOak · 12-03-2012, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

That's something coach Payton would be getting in Graham's face for Aswell, if SP was on the sideline graham would learn his lesson real quick

When you learn a curl route the first things they teach you are; quickly breakdown to not let the DB gain ground on you and always come back to the pass incase the DB has made a step on the ball while its in the air

Fundamentals have been killing us this year

Have you noticed how many yards after the catch are gained against us because the other teams receivers not only come back for the catch but take 2 extra steps to make the defender miss a tackle?

If we did that in practice on offense, the defense would be able to adjust.

Tackle where he WILL be, not where he is.

Halo · 12-03-2012, 12:00 PM

My opinion - alas Drew is human. I definitely feel his arm strength is as good as ever. He's actually using less "touch" this year and his throws are off just a bit. Drew has a powerful enough arm to be a very effective NFL QB. But without the right touch on the ball, it just does not fall exactly where it should as he is the definition of an precision passer.

Agree with nitedept and others that Drew taking on too much to elevate the team to greatness on his shoulders is the failing. He feels he needs to compensate for a weaker defense and score every-time he has the ball. This equates disaster.

NO QB can handle that type of responsibility. I appreciate his courage but the situation defines our season so far.

TheOak · 12-04-2012, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

My opinion - alas Drew is human. I definitely feel his arm strength is as good as ever. He's actually using less "touch" this year and his throws are off just a bit. Drew has a powerful enough arm to be a very effective NFL QB. But without the right touch on the ball, it just does not fall exactly where it should as he is the definition of an precision passer.

Agree with nitedept and others that Drew taking on too much to elevate the team to greatness on his shoulders is the failing. He feels he needs to compensate for a weaker defense and score every-time he has the ball. This equates disaster.

NO QB can handle that type of responsibility. I appreciate his courage but the situation defines our season so far.

Think about what you just said... His strength is there but his accuracy (touch) is diminishing.. Now think about it in terms of a pitcher trying to throw his 90th 100 MPH fast ball. As his arm tires control diminishes and that effort is transferred to strength.

I can chunk a baseball fairly accurately 25 yards (distance from 3rd to 1st rounded).. When my shoulders are hurting, I can still get it there with a fair amount of velocity but I have to overcome so much pain that the accuracy is not there.

In simpler terms Drew could throw 35 yards using 70% of his strength very accurately. Pain is causing him to now throw 25 yards using 95% of his strength and that is taking a toll on his touch.

Getting hit is a distraction, more loss of control. Pain in his shoulder just from a weather change, more loss of control.

I suspect if Payton were with us he would correct it by cutting routed by 5 yards, allowing Drew to focus more in control and a little less on velocity.

Then again, I could do like I see a lot of other people doing and ignore diminishing performance and just say nothing is wrong.

2010 Drew threw 22 INTs.. Some blame it on the birth of his son. We have 4 games left, if Drew throws just 2 more INTs he is tired for his second career highest INTs per season.
Drew Brees: Played 2010 With MCL Injury | Bleacher Report

Drews Passer rating has been under 110 two times in his Career. 2010 and this year. Look at the advanced passing stats.
Drew Brees NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

dizzle88 · 12-03-2012, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Have you noticed how many yards after the catch are gained against us because the other teams receivers not only come back for the catch but take 2 extra steps to make the defender miss a tackle?

If we did that in practice on offense, the defense would be able to adjust.

Tackle where he WILL be, not where he is.

Yeah Alot of the times it was made a 1000 times worse also because our DB's played 10 yards off a receiver on 3rd and 3, which would lead to a WR getting 15 yards when they only need 3

I hope the D continues to improve, they have proper guidance this year and with a couple of draft picks hopefully at OLB, S or DT/DE we could be dominant

however on offense the only thing that will fix us is waiting until next year and thats coach

On a positive note (YAY) I like what joe morgan has been doing recently, He looks like the deep threat that we need in our offense

12-03-2012, 11:43 AM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by TheOak Yes he did... Graham on the other hand, on curl routs does not come back for the ball.. He had a few batted away against Atl for that... Thats not just my observation, that came direct from the commentator booth also. That's something coach Payton would be getting in Graham's face for Aswell, if SP was on the sideline graham would learn his lesson real quick When you learn a curl route the first things they teach you are; quickly breakdown to not let the DB gain ground on you and always come back to the pass incase the DB has made a step on the ball while its in the air Fundamentals have been killing us this year

12-03-2012, 11:44 AM	#2
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by dizzle88 Fundamentals have been killing us this year Coach Payton's last instrcutions was to do your job. However the teams mindset is exactly what you just said.

12-03-2012, 11:53 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by dizzle88 That's something coach Payton would be getting in Graham's face for Aswell, if SP was on the sideline graham would learn his lesson real quick When you learn a curl route the first things they teach you are; quickly breakdown to not let the DB gain ground on you and always come back to the pass incase the DB has made a step on the ball while its in the air Fundamentals have been killing us this year Have you noticed how many yards after the catch are gained against us because the other teams receivers not only come back for the catch but take 2 extra steps to make the defender miss a tackle? If we did that in practice on offense, the defense would be able to adjust. Tackle where he WILL be, not where he is.

12-03-2012, 12:00 PM	#4
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,867 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Drew's Arm My opinion - alas Drew is human. I definitely feel his arm strength is as good as ever. He's actually using less "touch" this year and his throws are off just a bit. Drew has a powerful enough arm to be a very effective NFL QB. But without the right touch on the ball, it just does not fall exactly where it should as he is the definition of an precision passer. Agree with nitedept and others that Drew taking on too much to elevate the team to greatness on his shoulders is the failing. He feels he needs to compensate for a weaker defense and score every-time he has the ball. This equates disaster. NO QB can handle that type of responsibility. I appreciate his courage but the situation defines our season so far. BIGEASY504, SaintsBro and W. Kovacs like this.
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12-04-2012, 07:06 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by Halo My opinion - alas Drew is human. I definitely feel his arm strength is as good as ever. He's actually using less "touch" this year and his throws are off just a bit. Drew has a powerful enough arm to be a very effective NFL QB. But without the right touch on the ball, it just does not fall exactly where it should as he is the definition of an precision passer. Agree with nitedept and others that Drew taking on too much to elevate the team to greatness on his shoulders is the failing. He feels he needs to compensate for a weaker defense and score every-time he has the ball. This equates disaster. NO QB can handle that type of responsibility. I appreciate his courage but the situation defines our season so far. Think about what you just said... His strength is there but his accuracy (touch) is diminishing.. Now think about it in terms of a pitcher trying to throw his 90th 100 MPH fast ball. As his arm tires control diminishes and that effort is transferred to strength. I can chunk a baseball fairly accurately 25 yards (distance from 3rd to 1st rounded).. When my shoulders are hurting, I can still get it there with a fair amount of velocity but I have to overcome so much pain that the accuracy is not there. In simpler terms Drew could throw 35 yards using 70% of his strength very accurately. Pain is causing him to now throw 25 yards using 95% of his strength and that is taking a toll on his touch. Getting hit is a distraction, more loss of control. Pain in his shoulder just from a weather change, more loss of control. I suspect if Payton were with us he would correct it by cutting routed by 5 yards, allowing Drew to focus more in control and a little less on velocity. Then again, I could do like I see a lot of other people doing and ignore diminishing performance and just say nothing is wrong. 2010 Drew threw 22 INTs.. Some blame it on the birth of his son. We have 4 games left, if Drew throws just 2 more INTs he is tired for his second career highest INTs per season. Drew Brees: Played 2010 With MCL Injury \| Bleacher Report Drews Passer rating has been under 110 two times in his Career. 2010 and this year. Look at the advanced passing stats. Drew Brees NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com
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12-03-2012, 12:01 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by TheOak Have you noticed how many yards after the catch are gained against us because the other teams receivers not only come back for the catch but take 2 extra steps to make the defender miss a tackle? If we did that in practice on offense, the defense would be able to adjust. Tackle where he WILL be, not where he is. Yeah Alot of the times it was made a 1000 times worse also because our DB's played 10 yards off a receiver on 3rd and 3, which would lead to a WR getting 15 yards when they only need 3 I hope the D continues to improve, they have proper guidance this year and with a couple of draft picks hopefully at OLB, S or DT/DE we could be dominant however on offense the only thing that will fix us is waiting until next year and thats coach On a positive note (YAY) I like what joe morgan has been doing recently, He looks like the deep threat that we need in our offense
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