Drew's Arm

TheOak · 12-03-2012, 08:12 AM

Ive started this thread a few times and never finished it...

Am I the only one that sees passes usually caught in stride being thrown behind receivers?

When is the last time any of you hears or saw the phrase "Brees throws his receivers open"?

I am in no way saying his arm is gone, but what I have seen of him in the last few games reminds me of the 2010 season when we found out near the end of the season that he played a few games hurt.

I have tendonitis in both rotator cuffs, and impingement. Drew has his his arm nearly ripped out of socket and is slinging 50 passes/game, you cant tell me his shoulders don't hurt when the weather changes etc...

Let me put it into terms that may wake some people up. The QB that has been touted as one of the most intelligent and accurate QB in the NFL just starts throwing wildly inaccurate passes and makes very bad decisions because.... He ran out of waffles?

Jamessr · 12-03-2012, 09:07 AM

Another reason we need our coach back. "IF" his arm is starting to wear out we'll need that running game more than ever.
I think you're on to something...
How many games has he had throwing 50+ attempts?
I'd be willing to bet this year is the most he's had for attempts or atleast on pace for it

TheOak · 12-03-2012, 09:29 AM

I dont think his arm is wearing out, but I do think he is playing through some discomfort... Payton would not to anything to change that, just as he let him play through the 2010 season. Its not something can be acted on per sey directly with Drew but a Coach can offset his arms use a little to minimize exposure to bad plays.

ALL NFL players play with pain...

Mardigras9 · 12-03-2012, 09:35 AM

He has been short several times in recent memory but accuracy was always his forte over arm strength to begin with. He has just been a victim of himself trying to force throws in the past few games.

TheOak · 12-03-2012, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

He has been short several times in recent memory but accuracy was always his forte over arm strength to begin with. He has just been a victim of himself trying to force throws in the past few games.

I agree that the tipped balls, and interceptions are forced throws... Although those used to be passes where he threw someone open.

The defensive receptions where he misses the receiver by 5 yards is not a force.. This coming from a QB that can put a football in a 5 gal bucket.

dizzle88 · 12-03-2012, 09:43 AM

I've noticed over the past couple years that his deep passes have deteriorated

His deep passes used to be right on the money and now they seem to fall short

What I base this on is; can anyone remember 2009 vs the patriots, brees threw what I thought what the best pass I have ever seen in my life, play action 49 yard pass that literally hit meachems hands without him extending

Now a days I see drew over throw lance Moore when he's wide open, happened a couple times this season, half of drews pick are ones he throws behind receivers
I'm in no way saying his arm is done, but the deep pass he threw to joe Morgan vs ATL that was picked, seemed to lack zip and drew would normally know not to throw that ball when the safeties are playing deep

SapperSaint · 12-03-2012, 10:18 AM

I am in no way saying that Drew is broke. But I agree with what Oak is saying.

Over my many years in the Army I have sustained many injuries. Sholder, knees, back, ect. Most of the year I am in pretty fair shape. However, when I get very active for a long period of time, those injuries start to bother me. Drew isn't a spring chicken anymore. Don't take that as I am saying he is about to head off for the retirement home.

Drew's performance as of late would point to that as being a problem.

We do not run the ball enough. We all know that.

What's the fix? I don't know. It seems as though we start running; the running game is going good, then BAM! It's passes from then on out.

Drew can't keep passing 50+ every game. The tread will get worn out quick.

TheOak · 12-03-2012, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I've noticed over the past couple years that his deep passes have deteriorated

His deep passes used to be right on the money and now they seem to fall short

What I base this on is; can anyone remember 2009 vs the patriots, brees threw what I thought what the best pass I have ever seen in my life, play action 49 yard pass that literally hit meachems hands without him extending

Now a days I see drew over throw lance Moore when he's wide open, happened a couple times this season, half of drews pick are ones he throws behind receivers
I'm in no way saying his arm is done, but the deep pass he threw to joe Morgan vs ATL that was picked, seemed to lack zip and drew would normally know not to throw that ball when the safeties are playing deep

The lightbulb moment for me was Drews long pass to Moore against SF where it became a jump ball.

Watch lance start to slow down at the end... He knows..

QB Brees to WR Moore, 43-yd, pass - NFL Videos

MatthewT · 12-03-2012, 12:15 PM

Funny you guys are saying this, I too have seen some very noticeable differences recently in his velocity. It simple isn't there a lot of the time. I don't think his arm is shot at this point, but perhaps a few too many hits he has taken this year are catching up to him.

Mardigras9 · 12-03-2012, 12:20 PM

We have reached game 12 and he did have an extended off-season. Just one of the many reasons trending to a tired arm. Short week, alot of attemps, constant pressure, and so on.

12-03-2012, 08:12 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Drew's Arm Ive started this thread a few times and never finished it... Am I the only one that sees passes usually caught in stride being thrown behind receivers? When is the last time any of you hears or saw the phrase "Brees throws his receivers open"? I am in no way saying his arm is gone, but what I have seen of him in the last few games reminds me of the 2010 season when we found out near the end of the season that he played a few games hurt. I have tendonitis in both rotator cuffs, and impingement. Drew has his his arm nearly ripped out of socket and is slinging 50 passes/game, you cant tell me his shoulders don't hurt when the weather changes etc... Let me put it into terms that may wake some people up. The QB that has been touted as one of the most intelligent and accurate QB in the NFL just starts throwing wildly inaccurate passes and makes very bad decisions because.... He ran out of waffles? BIGEASY504 likes this.
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12-03-2012, 09:07 AM	#2
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Drew's Arm Another reason we need our coach back. "IF" his arm is starting to wear out we'll need that running game more than ever. I think you're on to something... How many games has he had throwing 50+ attempts? I'd be willing to bet this year is the most he's had for attempts or atleast on pace for it

12-03-2012, 09:29 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Drew's Arm I dont think his arm is wearing out, but I do think he is playing through some discomfort... Payton would not to anything to change that, just as he let him play through the 2010 season. Its not something can be acted on per sey directly with Drew but a Coach can offset his arms use a little to minimize exposure to bad plays. ALL NFL players play with pain...

12-03-2012, 09:35 AM	#4
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Drew's Arm He has been short several times in recent memory but accuracy was always his forte over arm strength to begin with. He has just been a victim of himself trying to force throws in the past few games. UK_WhoDat, breesfan27, st thomas and 1 others like this.

12-03-2012, 09:41 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by Mardigras9 He has been short several times in recent memory but accuracy was always his forte over arm strength to begin with. He has just been a victim of himself trying to force throws in the past few games. I agree that the tipped balls, and interceptions are forced throws... Although those used to be passes where he threw someone open. The defensive receptions where he misses the receiver by 5 yards is not a force.. This coming from a QB that can put a football in a 5 gal bucket.

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12-03-2012, 09:43 AM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Drew's Arm I've noticed over the past couple years that his deep passes have deteriorated His deep passes used to be right on the money and now they seem to fall short What I base this on is; can anyone remember 2009 vs the patriots, brees threw what I thought what the best pass I have ever seen in my life, play action 49 yard pass that literally hit meachems hands without him extending Now a days I see drew over throw lance Moore when he's wide open, happened a couple times this season, half of drews pick are ones he throws behind receivers I'm in no way saying his arm is done, but the deep pass he threw to joe Morgan vs ATL that was picked, seemed to lack zip and drew would normally know not to throw that ball when the safeties are playing deep
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12-03-2012, 10:18 AM	#7
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Drew's Arm I am in no way saying that Drew is broke. But I agree with what Oak is saying. Over my many years in the Army I have sustained many injuries. Sholder, knees, back, ect. Most of the year I am in pretty fair shape. However, when I get very active for a long period of time, those injuries start to bother me. Drew isn't a spring chicken anymore. Don't take that as I am saying he is about to head off for the retirement home. Drew's performance as of late would point to that as being a problem. We do not run the ball enough. We all know that. What's the fix? I don't know. It seems as though we start running; the running game is going good, then BAM! It's passes from then on out. Drew can't keep passing 50+ every game. The tread will get worn out quick.
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12-03-2012, 12:15 PM	#9
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Drew's Arm Funny you guys are saying this, I too have seen some very noticeable differences recently in his velocity. It simple isn't there a lot of the time. I don't think his arm is shot at this point, but perhaps a few too many hits he has taken this year are catching up to him.

12-03-2012, 12:20 PM	#10
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Drew's Arm We have reached game 12 and he did have an extended off-season. Just one of the many reasons trending to a tired arm. Short week, alot of attemps, constant pressure, and so on.

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