Spags: I hope hes canned

pinch · 01-02-2013, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mikemike

Faulty logic.

How so?

FinSaint · 01-03-2013, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by pinch

How so?

Well, as far as your original comment goes...

Originally Posted by pinch

If you accept the argument that Spags system works and we just don't have the players to fit, then after the worst defensive season in history you must also conclude that practically every player will need to be replaced in order for us to succeed with Spags at the helm.

I also agree that it is based on faulty logic, because even if one accepts the argument that Spags' system works and that the Saints' personnel just didn't fit into that system, it would be a stretch to conclude based on that that they need to practically replace every player in order to get Spags' system to work next season.

Players learn and unlearn new/old playing styles and habits and adapt to new situations, just like everyone of us has the ability to adapt to new situations in our lives and careers. Therefore, I think that even though the defensive personnel might not have fitted perfectly Spags' system this year - it doesn't necessarily mean that they won't fit it come next season, if not perfectly then in all probability at least somewhat better.

I think that they only need few key additions and subtractions on some important positions on the defense along with the learning curve already starting to plateau as far as most players are concerned - and they can be a very effective defensive unit next season. That along with the offense playing like they should, which wasn't the case in every game this past season, and the Saints will be playoff and Super Bowl bound next season without having to make any wholesale purging of the defensive roster.

And just to conclude, you shouldn't use superlatives like "you must also conclude" when talking about correlations and deductions/inductions based on very limited evidence - as was the case with your argument - because one can rarely make a convincing argument when trying to force the reader to come to a certain conclusion without letting them do it for themselves.

Just my 2 cents...

biloxi-indian · 01-03-2013, 04:28 AM

Just my 2 cents;

No matter the coach nor "system", the basic fundamental of tackling should be a prerequisite of being a professional football player.

D_it_up · 01-03-2013, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

Just my 2 cents;

No matter the coach nor "system", the basic fundamental of tackling should be a prerequisite of being a professional football player.

This, this, this! Tackling was HORRIBLE! That is something that can't be blamed on the system.

Danno · 01-03-2013, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by D_it_up

This, this, this! Tackling was HORRIBLE! That is something that can't be blamed on the system.

But the system taking so long to learn with less time to practice under the new CBA probably contributed to tackling woes.

01-02-2013, 09:05 PM	#1
pinch 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Diamondhead, MS Posts: 272 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Originally Posted by Mikemike Faulty logic. How so? Belair57 likes this.

01-03-2013, 02:23 AM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Originally Posted by pinch How so? Well, as far as your original comment goes... Originally Posted by pinch If you accept the argument that Spags system works and we just don't have the players to fit, then after the worst defensive season in history you must also conclude that practically every player will need to be replaced in order for us to succeed with Spags at the helm. I also agree that it is based on faulty logic, because even if one accepts the argument that Spags' system works and that the Saints' personnel just didn't fit into that system, it would be a stretch to conclude based on that that they need to practically replace every player in order to get Spags' system to work next season. Players learn and unlearn new/old playing styles and habits and adapt to new situations, just like everyone of us has the ability to adapt to new situations in our lives and careers. Therefore, I think that even though the defensive personnel might not have fitted perfectly Spags' system this year - it doesn't necessarily mean that they won't fit it come next season, if not perfectly then in all probability at least somewhat better. I think that they only need few key additions and subtractions on some important positions on the defense along with the learning curve already starting to plateau as far as most players are concerned - and they can be a very effective defensive unit next season. That along with the offense playing like they should, which wasn't the case in every game this past season, and the Saints will be playoff and Super Bowl bound next season without having to make any wholesale purging of the defensive roster. And just to conclude, you shouldn't use superlatives like "you must also conclude" when talking about correlations and deductions/inductions based on very limited evidence - as was the case with your argument - because one can rarely make a convincing argument when trying to force the reader to come to a certain conclusion without letting them do it for themselves. Just my 2 cents... SloMotion likes this.
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01-03-2013, 04:28 AM	#3
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Just my 2 cents; No matter the coach nor "system", the basic fundamental of tackling should be a prerequisite of being a professional football player. D_it_up and lee909 like this.

01-03-2013, 06:02 AM	#4
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Originally Posted by biloxi-indian Just my 2 cents; No matter the coach nor "system", the basic fundamental of tackling should be a prerequisite of being a professional football player. This, this, this! Tackling was HORRIBLE! That is something that can't be blamed on the system.

01-03-2013, 07:43 AM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Spags: I hope hes canned Originally Posted by D_it_up This, this, this! Tackling was HORRIBLE! That is something that can't be blamed on the system. But the system taking so long to learn with less time to practice under the new CBA probably contributed to tackling woes.

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