I hope and pray...

4everSaint · 01-04-2013, 09:02 PM

I say reach down there in the 5th-7th round prediction range, and draft him in the first. That should shake the whole thing up like a Jinga tower coming down, and he'll probably be awesome also!

lumm0x · 01-04-2013, 10:39 PM

You don't think picking Nicks and Morestead (2 pro bowl players and arguably the best at their position in the league respectively) is the definition of late round drafting success? I have no issue with our 2007 onward late drafting just based on those 2 picks. Rounds 5+ generally produce guys who don't end up playing in the league or journeymen players on average. Any "hit" for a pro bowler is a great draft.

But as for the initial topic, with the first round pick we definitely need to hit on an impact player. We have had some successful 1st rounders and some not so successful but are overdue for a top player selection in that round. We could sure you a guy who would define our defense for the next 10 years.

Danno · 01-04-2013, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

You don't think picking Nicks and Morestead (2 pro bowl players and arguably the best at their position in the league respectively) is the definition of late round drafting success? .

Two out of 16 picks? No, I don't consider that having late round success at all.

10 of those guys aren't even in the league anymore and it ain't looking good for 2 or 3 others.

QBREES9 · 01-04-2013, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Not in the last 5 years...
2012 4 122 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
2012 5 162 Corey White DB Samford
2012 6 179 Andrew Tiller G Syracuse
2012 7 234 Marcel Jones T Nebraska
2011 7 226 Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh
2011 7 243 Nate Bussey LB Illinois
2010 4 123 Al Woods DT Louisiana State
2010 5 158 Matt Tennant C Boston College
2010 7 239 Sean Canfield QB Oregon State
2009 4 116 Chip Vaughn DB Wake Forest
2009 4 118 Stanley Arnoux LB Wake Forest
2009 5 164 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist
2008 5 144 DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina State
2008 5 164 Carl Nicks T Nebraska
2008 6 178 Taylor Mehlhaff K Wisconsin
2008 7 237 Adrian Arrington WR Michigan

Danno thanks you for this. Great job.

lumm0x · 01-04-2013, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Two out of 16 picks? No, I don't consider that having late round success at all.

10 of those guys aren't even in the league anymore and it ain't looking good for 2 or 3 others.

Really. Not being argumentative, but I consider it successful for sure based on the isolated elite success. Sure you want more depth players and the odd starter but show me another team with two pro bowlers in round 5 or later in the last 5 years. Perhaps it happens more but I would doubt it. Let alone two guys that as I said before are arguably the best at the position in the league.

And why not add the first Payton year 2006 to the mix too and the undrafted rookies. You throw Colston, PT, Ivory, Strief (may not be great but a starter), Evans (another one of the best), Cadet, Bushrod....

I think overall we've been one of the better late round drafting teams in the coach/GM's tenure across the league. And I believe he was a 4th but Jimmy Graham was a hell of a talent evaluation. I have no issue with how this team has utilized it's later round selections. The draft is a crap shoot at best let alone when you start getting into selections 150 players into a draft.

saintsfan403 · 01-04-2013, 11:52 PM

Jordan is emerging as a very good d-end. Jenkins should never have been drafted to play safety either, he was a cornerback and I think that's where he would be most effective.

Danno · 01-04-2013, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

Really. Not being argumentative, but I consider it successful for sure based on the isolated elite success. Sure you want more depth players and the odd starter but show me another team with two pro bowlers in round 5 or later in the last 5 years. Perhaps it happens more but I would doubt it. Let alone two guys that as I said before are arguably the best at the position in the league.

And why not add the first Payton year 2006 to the mix too and the undrafted rookies. You throw Colston, PT, Ivory, Strief (may not be great but a starter), Evans (another one of the best), Cadet, Bushrod....

I think overall we've been one of the better late round drafting teams in the coach/GM's tenure across the league. And I believe he was a 4th but Jimmy Graham was a hell of a talent evaluation. I have no issue with how this team has utilized it's later round selections. The draft is a crap shoot at best let alone when you start getting into selections 150 players into a draft.

Graham was a 3rd, and you're including a Punter we gave up two picks for?

I think the last 5 years shows we haven't been that good drafting in the late rounds. Carl Nicks and a punter... out of 16 picks? I'm not impressed at all. I think 2006 is skewing everyone's opinion about our late round success.

UK_WhoDat · 01-05-2013, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by iWho_Dat

That we do not get another first round bust. For goodness sakes our entire D line are first rounders. (Although I don't think Cam Jordan is a bust) he just needs help. Will Smith was good in his prime. But Ellis, P Rob, Jenkins, Bunkley, (although he had Dummerville in Denver). But please I hope we don't get another bust.

Hear ya frustration. For sure we don't want busts. Waste of energy, time, and money.

But guys like Brodrick Bunkley ain't busts.

01-04-2013, 09:02 PM	#11
4everSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 809	Re: I hope and pray... I say reach down there in the 5th-7th round prediction range, and draft him in the first. That should shake the whole thing up like a Jinga tower coming down, and he'll probably be awesome also!

01-04-2013, 10:39 PM	#12
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: I hope and pray... You don't think picking Nicks and Morestead (2 pro bowl players and arguably the best at their position in the league respectively) is the definition of late round drafting success? I have no issue with our 2007 onward late drafting just based on those 2 picks. Rounds 5+ generally produce guys who don't end up playing in the league or journeymen players on average. Any "hit" for a pro bowler is a great draft. But as for the initial topic, with the first round pick we definitely need to hit on an impact player. We have had some successful 1st rounders and some not so successful but are overdue for a top player selection in that round. We could sure you a guy who would define our defense for the next 10 years.

01-04-2013, 11:35 PM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: I hope and pray... Originally Posted by lumm0x You don't think picking Nicks and Morestead (2 pro bowl players and arguably the best at their position in the league respectively) is the definition of late round drafting success? . Two out of 16 picks? No, I don't consider that having late round success at all. 10 of those guys aren't even in the league anymore and it ain't looking good for 2 or 3 others.

01-04-2013, 11:48 PM	#14
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: I hope and pray... Originally Posted by Danno Not in the last 5 years... 2012 4 122 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin 2012 5 162 Corey White DB Samford 2012 6 179 Andrew Tiller G Syracuse 2012 7 234 Marcel Jones T Nebraska 2011 7 226 Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh 2011 7 243 Nate Bussey LB Illinois 2010 4 123 Al Woods DT Louisiana State 2010 5 158 Matt Tennant C Boston College 2010 7 239 Sean Canfield QB Oregon State 2009 4 116 Chip Vaughn DB Wake Forest 2009 4 118 Stanley Arnoux LB Wake Forest 2009 5 164 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist 2008 5 144 DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina State 2008 5 164 Carl Nicks T Nebraska 2008 6 178 Taylor Mehlhaff K Wisconsin 2008 7 237 Adrian Arrington WR Michigan Danno thanks you for this. Great job.

01-04-2013, 11:49 PM	#15
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: I hope and pray... Originally Posted by Danno Two out of 16 picks? No, I don't consider that having late round success at all. 10 of those guys aren't even in the league anymore and it ain't looking good for 2 or 3 others. Really. Not being argumentative, but I consider it successful for sure based on the isolated elite success. Sure you want more depth players and the odd starter but show me another team with two pro bowlers in round 5 or later in the last 5 years. Perhaps it happens more but I would doubt it. Let alone two guys that as I said before are arguably the best at the position in the league. And why not add the first Payton year 2006 to the mix too and the undrafted rookies. You throw Colston, PT, Ivory, Strief (may not be great but a starter), Evans (another one of the best), Cadet, Bushrod.... I think overall we've been one of the better late round drafting teams in the coach/GM's tenure across the league. And I believe he was a 4th but Jimmy Graham was a hell of a talent evaluation. I have no issue with how this team has utilized it's later round selections. The draft is a crap shoot at best let alone when you start getting into selections 150 players into a draft.

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01-04-2013, 11:52 PM	#16
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: I hope and pray... Jordan is emerging as a very good d-end. Jenkins should never have been drafted to play safety either, he was a cornerback and I think that's where he would be most effective.

01-04-2013, 11:56 PM	#17
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: I hope and pray... Originally Posted by lumm0x Really. Not being argumentative, but I consider it successful for sure based on the isolated elite success. Sure you want more depth players and the odd starter but show me another team with two pro bowlers in round 5 or later in the last 5 years. Perhaps it happens more but I would doubt it. Let alone two guys that as I said before are arguably the best at the position in the league. And why not add the first Payton year 2006 to the mix too and the undrafted rookies. You throw Colston, PT, Ivory, Strief (may not be great but a starter), Evans (another one of the best), Cadet, Bushrod.... I think overall we've been one of the better late round drafting teams in the coach/GM's tenure across the league. And I believe he was a 4th but Jimmy Graham was a hell of a talent evaluation. I have no issue with how this team has utilized it's later round selections. The draft is a crap shoot at best let alone when you start getting into selections 150 players into a draft. Graham was a 3rd, and you're including a Punter we gave up two picks for? I think the last 5 years shows we haven't been that good drafting in the late rounds. Carl Nicks and a punter... out of 16 picks? I'm not impressed at all. I think 2006 is skewing everyone's opinion about our late round success.

01-05-2013, 01:57 PM	#18
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: I hope and pray... Originally Posted by iWho_Dat That we do not get another first round bust. For goodness sakes our entire D line are first rounders. (Although I don't think Cam Jordan is a bust) he just needs help. Will Smith was good in his prime. But Ellis, P Rob, Jenkins, Bunkley, (although he had Dummerville in Denver). But please I hope we don't get another bust. Hear ya frustration. For sure we don't want busts. Waste of energy, time, and money. But guys like Brodrick Bunkley ain't busts.

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