QB Drew Brees Agitated Saints Will Miss Home Super Bowl

burningmetal · 01-11-2013, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Boutte

No saying he had a down and constantly harping on the most negative thing you can think of at every single mention of the man's name are two different things. He doesn't deserve that.

Guy, look around. People take turns criticizing Drew, the defense, the receivers, the o-line, the coaches, and Roger Goodell. Drew is not the only one. I hardly think people are saying something negative every single time Drew's name is mentioned. But for the record, he did have a bad year, and no he was not the only one. We throw the ball damn near 50 times a game, of course he gets his yards. We also had a lot of 3 and outs and turnovers.

Everyone gets a share of the blame, I agree with that. Just remember that Drew is a quarterback, not an untouchable deity. I can agree with your sentiment about not wanting people to constantly harp on one player, but I think the negativity has been rather widely dispersed.

Your demonstration suggested that people hate on Drew even when he has a great season. All those wild numbers you threw out, were not close to being realistic, and certainly weren't close to what he did THIS season. Drew is a highly popular person around here, and until he laid a bunch of eggs this year, not many people had anything negative to say about him. That's why I think you're overreacting a bit.

burningmetal · 01-11-2013, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Here are the results... In Stats so people can draw conclusions from fact and not fiction.

Sorry anyone, I can not fault our offense or anyone on the offense... Know why I have come to that conclusion?

Out of the TOP 12 teams in scoring we are 3rd and the ONLY team that didn't make the playoffs. ALL other 11 top scoring teams made it. Our offense in its ENTIRETY played playoff caliber ball.

NFL Stats: by Team Category

Defense 2nd to last in points allowed.
NFL Stats: by Team Category

Portions of our offense are blamed? BS! I don't care if Drew threw 50 interceptions, when your offense is 3rd in the league in scoring and you don't make the playoffs, its not lack of scoring that kept you out of the playoffs, its failure to stop other teams from scoring that kept you out of the playoffs..

Yes it is that simple victory in the NFL is determined by the differential of points scored vs points allowed. It doesn't matter whether you pass, run, punt, intercept.. Its all Point differential.

Do you ever look beyond stats? When you are constantly playing from behind, and throwing 50 times a game, you're going to score some points. It's an offensive league. But where was our offense in crunch time? At Atlanta? Our defense plays one of it's best games of the year, and we lose because of 5 picks. Where was our offense against San Francisco? We scored 21 points and threw two pick sixes. Nice work, O.

How about the Denver game? 14 big points. Kansas City? Against their atrocious defense we managed less than 300 yards and blew an 18 point lead by doing nothing the entire second half.

Our defense is equally to blame, they were, but for a couple games, very bad. No freaking duh. But you don't know much about football if you can't see how far our offense dropped off. I mean that for every person who thinks our offense is blameless.

TheOak · 01-11-2013, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

You have no idea how to look anywhere beyond stats, do you? When you are constantly playing from behind, and throwing 50 times a game, you're going to score some points. It's an offensive league. But where was our offense in crunch time? At Atlanta? Our defense plays one of it's best games of the year, and we lose because of 5 picks. Where was our offense against San Francisco? We scored 21 points and threw two pick sixes. Nice work, O.

How about the Denver game? 14 big points. Kansas City? Against their atrocious defense we managed less than 300 yards and blew an 18 point lead by doing nothing the entire second half.

Our defense is equally to blame, they were, but for a couple games, very bad. No freaking duh. But you don't know much about football if you can't see how far our offense dropped off.

That reply is hilarious. Truly... Thanks! I NOWHERE mentioned stats, I talked about points which are not stats in a sense. Points (score) is the only thing that decides a win or loss.

This is the best "When you are constantly playing from behind, and throwing 50 times a game, you're going to score some points."... That makes no sense but tell that to Kansas City... You fail to realize that that there is junk yardage but no team gives up points freely .. No such thing as junk points unless one of our opponents put in their second string.

You however after highlighting stats as the ignorant way to go... went on to make a case using stats. Passes per game (stat), less than 300 yards (stat), defense played the best game of the year (you arent justifying that with stats are you?).

The defenses best game of the year was against Tampa Bay in week 15 where TB didn't score.... because after all only "someone that 'doesn't know much about football" would not look at score and only look at stats.

You referenced 4 games... So we should have been 12-4.

Thank you drive through.. I am done.

dizzle88 · 01-11-2013, 08:13 AM

Drew lost some games for us
The defense lost some games for us
And the special teams lost the NY giants game for us

If the defense stopped someone we would have won more games
If drew didn't throw 7 picks combined in the SF and ATL games we would have won, but he won the other games for us

If the defense stopped KC's running game we would have won that

No one is beyond blame but drew wasn't the only one that messed up, yeah he cost us a couple games, so did the defense, drew won more games for us than the D did
All aspects of our team needs to improve, that includes drews efficiency

Saint_LB · 01-11-2013, 08:22 AM

Drew has played worse. He threw 22 picks a couple or 3 years ago. It's funny, though, because he didn't lead the league that year.

Drew Brees is a very good...no...great QB. No doubt. If he played bad last year it was only because other people around him were playing bad...worse than they had in the past, but it is surprising to me that people are feeling like this is all his fault...or even that he is much different than he has ever been.

The team was different. There were so many factors that played a part. I don't have to bring them all up...everybody knows the things that happened...and the defense was in fact horrible, and IMO, the main reason the Saints were 7-9.

Somebody mentioned poor decisions because they were behind and trying to make plays. I don't have the inclination to go back and find out who it was...you know who you are...but you, sir, I applaud.

Boutte · 01-12-2013, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

Drew has played worse. He threw 22 picks a couple or 3 years ago. It's funny, though, because he didn't lead the league that year.

Drew Brees is a very good...no...great QB. No doubt. If he played bad last year it was only because other people around him were playing bad...worse than they had in the past, but it is surprising to me that people are feeling like this is all his fault...or even that he is much different than he has ever been.

The team was different. There were so many factors that played a part. I don't have to bring them all up...everybody knows the things that happened...and the defense was in fact horrible, and IMO, the main reason the Saints were 7-9.

Somebody mentioned poor decisions because they were behind and trying to make plays. I don't have the inclination to go back and find out who it was...you know who you are...but you, sir, I applaud.

Thank you.

Saint_LB · 01-13-2013, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Boutte

Thank you.

yw...and I will always know from now on that Boutte knows his ****.

Boutte · 01-13-2013, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Do you ever look beyond stats? When you are constantly playing from behind, and throwing 50 times a game, you're going to score some points. It's an offensive league. But where was our offense in crunch time? At Atlanta? Our defense plays one of it's best games of the year, and we lose because of 5 picks. Where was our offense against San Francisco? We scored 21 points and threw two pick sixes. Nice work, O.

How about the Denver game? 14 big points. Kansas City? Against their atrocious defense we managed less than 300 yards and blew an 18 point lead by doing nothing the entire second half.

Our defense is equally to blame, they were, but for a couple games, very bad. No freaking duh. But you don't know much about football if you can't see how far our offense dropped off. I mean that for every person who thinks our offense is blameless.

I can see your point but I guess I'm putting a lot more of the blame on the fact that Payton wasn't coaching the team this year. I just don't see how anyone can talk about how the team dropped off this year with out pointing to that as 90% of the problem. And the first four games of the season should be completely discounted.

UK_WhoDat · 01-13-2013, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Interceptions are the cure for cancer?

That's the trouble with autospell.

Injections

UK_WhoDat · 01-13-2013, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Drew lost some games for us
The defense lost some games for us
And the special teams lost the NY giants game for us

If the defense stopped someone we would have won more games
If drew didn't throw 7 picks combined in the SF and ATL games we would have won, but he won the other games for us

If the defense stopped KC's running game we would have won that

No one is beyond blame but drew wasn't the only one that messed up, yeah he cost us a couple games, so did the defense, drew won more games for us than the D did
All aspects of our team needs to improve, that includes drews efficiency

Yep and some.

The issue is that many are inserting the words "only" and "all" in posts where those words are not stated.

01-11-2013, 05:22 AM	#21
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: QB Drew Brees Agitated Saints Will Miss Home Super Bowl Originally Posted by Boutte No saying he had a down and constantly harping on the most negative thing you can think of at every single mention of the man's name are two different things. He doesn't deserve that. Guy, look around. People take turns criticizing Drew, the defense, the receivers, the o-line, the coaches, and Roger Goodell. Drew is not the only one. I hardly think people are saying something negative every single time Drew's name is mentioned. But for the record, he did have a bad year, and no he was not the only one. We throw the ball damn near 50 times a game, of course he gets his yards. We also had a lot of 3 and outs and turnovers. Everyone gets a share of the blame, I agree with that. Just remember that Drew is a quarterback, not an untouchable deity. I can agree with your sentiment about not wanting people to constantly harp on one player, but I think the negativity has been rather widely dispersed. Your demonstration suggested that people hate on Drew even when he has a great season. All those wild numbers you threw out, were not close to being realistic, and certainly weren't close to what he did THIS season. Drew is a highly popular person around here, and until he laid a bunch of eggs this year, not many people had anything negative to say about him. That's why I think you're overreacting a bit.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-11-2013, 05:32 AM	#22
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: QB Drew Brees Agitated Saints Will Miss Home Super Bowl Originally Posted by TheOak Here are the results... In Stats so people can draw conclusions from fact and not fiction. Sorry anyone, I can not fault our offense or anyone on the offense... Know why I have come to that conclusion? Out of the TOP 12 teams in scoring we are 3rd and the ONLY team that didn't make the playoffs. ALL other 11 top scoring teams made it. Our offense in its ENTIRETY played playoff caliber ball. NFL Stats: by Team Category Defense 2nd to last in points allowed. NFL Stats: by Team Category Portions of our offense are blamed? BS! I don't care if Drew threw 50 interceptions, when your offense is 3rd in the league in scoring and you don't make the playoffs, its not lack of scoring that kept you out of the playoffs, its failure to stop other teams from scoring that kept you out of the playoffs.. Yes it is that simple victory in the NFL is determined by the differential of points scored vs points allowed. It doesn't matter whether you pass, run, punt, intercept.. Its all Point differential. Do you ever look beyond stats? When you are constantly playing from behind, and throwing 50 times a game, you're going to score some points. It's an offensive league. But where was our offense in crunch time? At Atlanta? Our defense plays one of it's best games of the year, and we lose because of 5 picks. Where was our offense against San Francisco? We scored 21 points and threw two pick sixes. Nice work, O. How about the Denver game? 14 big points. Kansas City? Against their atrocious defense we managed less than 300 yards and blew an 18 point lead by doing nothing the entire second half. Our defense is equally to blame, they were, but for a couple games, very bad. No freaking duh. But you don't know much about football if you can't see how far our offense dropped off. I mean that for every person who thinks our offense is blameless.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-11-2013, 07:56 AM	#23
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: QB Drew Brees Agitated Saints Will Miss Home Super Bowl Originally Posted by burningmetal You have no idea how to look anywhere beyond stats, do you? When you are constantly playing from behind, and throwing 50 times a game, you're going to score some points. It's an offensive league. But where was our offense in crunch time? At Atlanta? Our defense plays one of it's best games of the year, and we lose because of 5 picks. Where was our offense against San Francisco? We scored 21 points and threw two pick sixes. Nice work, O. How about the Denver game? 14 big points. Kansas City? Against their atrocious defense we managed less than 300 yards and blew an 18 point lead by doing nothing the entire second half. Our defense is equally to blame, they were, but for a couple games, very bad. No freaking duh. But you don't know much about football if you can't see how far our offense dropped off. That reply is hilarious. Truly... Thanks! I NOWHERE mentioned stats, I talked about points which are not stats in a sense. Points (score) is the only thing that decides a win or loss. This is the best "When you are constantly playing from behind, and throwing 50 times a game, you're going to score some points."... That makes no sense but tell that to Kansas City... You fail to realize that that there is junk yardage but no team gives up points freely .. No such thing as junk points unless one of our opponents put in their second string. You however after highlighting stats as the ignorant way to go... went on to make a case using stats. Passes per game (stat), less than 300 yards (stat), defense played the best game of the year (you arent justifying that with stats are you?). The defenses best game of the year was against Tampa Bay in week 15 where TB didn't score.... because after all only "someone that 'doesn't know much about football" would not look at score and only look at stats. You referenced 4 games... So we should have been 12-4. Thank you drive through.. I am done.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

01-11-2013, 08:13 AM	#24
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: QB Drew Brees Agitated Saints Will Miss Home Super Bowl Drew lost some games for us The defense lost some games for us And the special teams lost the NY giants game for us If the defense stopped someone we would have won more games If drew didn't throw 7 picks combined in the SF and ATL games we would have won, but he won the other games for us If the defense stopped KC's running game we would have won that No one is beyond blame but drew wasn't the only one that messed up, yeah he cost us a couple games, so did the defense, drew won more games for us than the D did All aspects of our team needs to improve, that includes drews efficiency UK_WhoDat, TheOak and burningmetal like this.
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01-11-2013, 08:22 AM	#25
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: QB Drew Brees Agitated Saints Will Miss Home Super Bowl Drew has played worse. He threw 22 picks a couple or 3 years ago. It's funny, though, because he didn't lead the league that year. Drew Brees is a very good...no...great QB. No doubt. If he played bad last year it was only because other people around him were playing bad...worse than they had in the past, but it is surprising to me that people are feeling like this is all his fault...or even that he is much different than he has ever been. The team was different. There were so many factors that played a part. I don't have to bring them all up...everybody knows the things that happened...and the defense was in fact horrible, and IMO, the main reason the Saints were 7-9. Somebody mentioned poor decisions because they were behind and trying to make plays. I don't have the inclination to go back and find out who it was...you know who you are...but you, sir, I applaud. Boutte and TheOak like this.
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01-12-2013, 10:46 PM	#26
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: QB Drew Brees Agitated Saints Will Miss Home Super Bowl Originally Posted by Saint_LB Drew has played worse. He threw 22 picks a couple or 3 years ago. It's funny, though, because he didn't lead the league that year. Drew Brees is a very good...no...great QB. No doubt. If he played bad last year it was only because other people around him were playing bad...worse than they had in the past, but it is surprising to me that people are feeling like this is all his fault...or even that he is much different than he has ever been. The team was different. There were so many factors that played a part. I don't have to bring them all up...everybody knows the things that happened...and the defense was in fact horrible, and IMO, the main reason the Saints were 7-9. Somebody mentioned poor decisions because they were behind and trying to make plays. I don't have the inclination to go back and find out who it was...you know who you are...but you, sir, I applaud. Thank you. Saint_LB likes this.

01-13-2013, 06:00 AM	#27
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: QB Drew Brees Agitated Saints Will Miss Home Super Bowl Originally Posted by Boutte Thank you. yw...and I will always know from now on that Boutte knows his ****.
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01-13-2013, 01:31 PM	#28
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: QB Drew Brees Agitated Saints Will Miss Home Super Bowl Originally Posted by burningmetal Do you ever look beyond stats? When you are constantly playing from behind, and throwing 50 times a game, you're going to score some points. It's an offensive league. But where was our offense in crunch time? At Atlanta? Our defense plays one of it's best games of the year, and we lose because of 5 picks. Where was our offense against San Francisco? We scored 21 points and threw two pick sixes. Nice work, O. How about the Denver game? 14 big points. Kansas City? Against their atrocious defense we managed less than 300 yards and blew an 18 point lead by doing nothing the entire second half. Our defense is equally to blame, they were, but for a couple games, very bad. No freaking duh. But you don't know much about football if you can't see how far our offense dropped off. I mean that for every person who thinks our offense is blameless. I can see your point but I guess I'm putting a lot more of the blame on the fact that Payton wasn't coaching the team this year. I just don't see how anyone can talk about how the team dropped off this year with out pointing to that as 90% of the problem. And the first four games of the season should be completely discounted.

01-13-2013, 03:07 PM	#29
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: QB Drew Brees Agitated Saints Will Miss Home Super Bowl Originally Posted by TheOak Interceptions are the cure for cancer? That's the trouble with autospell. Injections

01-13-2013, 03:14 PM	#30
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: QB Drew Brees Agitated Saints Will Miss Home Super Bowl Originally Posted by dizzle88 Drew lost some games for us The defense lost some games for us And the special teams lost the NY giants game for us If the defense stopped someone we would have won more games If drew didn't throw 7 picks combined in the SF and ATL games we would have won, but he won the other games for us If the defense stopped KC's running game we would have won that No one is beyond blame but drew wasn't the only one that messed up, yeah he cost us a couple games, so did the defense, drew won more games for us than the D did All aspects of our team needs to improve, that includes drews efficiency Yep and some. The issue is that many are inserting the words "only" and "all" in posts where those words are not stated.

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