Time to start releasing players?

Danno · 02-06-2013, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You can cut with out the hit. At least that's how I read it.

Signing bonus money accellerates to the year you cut them. It can no longer be spread over the life of the contract once you terminate the contract.

Cutting Will Smith only saves 7 million, not 14.
Cutting Vilma only saves 6 million, not 8.6.
Cutting Harper only saves 4 million, not 7.
Cutting Hartley only saves 1.1 million, not 2.6

And then you have to add the cost to replace those players.

TheOak · 02-06-2013, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Signing bonus money accellerates to the year you cut them. It can no longer be spread over the life of the contract once you terminate the contract.

Cutting Will Smith only saves 7 million, not 14.
Cutting Vilma only saves 6 million, not 8.6.
Cutting Harper only saves 4 million, not 7.
Cutting Hartley only saves 1.1 million, not 2.6

And then you have to add the cost to replace those players.

Replacing Smith, Vilma, and Harper with equal to or greater talent would not be too difficult.

Danno · 02-06-2013, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Replacing Smith, Vilma, and Harper with equal to or greater talent would not be too difficult.

I disagree sort of. It won't be cheap.

They are certainly overpaid, but they are also all above average players.

Even average players cost more in free agency than they're worth.

Replacing them with comparable players will save some money, but nowhere near what we need to get under the cap.

TheOak · 02-06-2013, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I disagree sort of. It won't be cheap.

They are certainly overpaid, but they are also all above average players.

Even average players cost more in free agency than they're worth.

Replacing them with comparable players will save some money, but nowhere near what we need to get under the cap.

Meet me 1/2 way?

In regards to Smith... I just want a new name to whine about.

Danno · 02-06-2013, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Meet me 1/2 way?

In regards to Smith... I just want a new name to whine about.

Oh I agree that all 3 will have to re-structure or "bye-bye". Its just no gonna save us nearly as much as their 2013 cap hit suggests.

I'm a Harper fan, but no way he's worth that kind of cash. No safety in this league is worth that. Donte Whitner was absolutely schooled in the Superbowl. He couldn't cover squat.

He looked every bit as bad as Harper/Jenkins and he's widely considered one of the best in the NFL

Torching DB's is just the current state of the pass-happy NFL now. The best secondary in all of the NFL was torched in the playoffs by Matt Friggin Ryan.

I'm not sure there's much difference between an A-Plus safety and a C-Plus safety anymore. So why pay A-plus money for one?

K Major · 02-06-2013, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I disagree sort of. It won't be cheap.

They are certainly overpaid, but they are also all above average players.

.

Did you say Smith and Harper are above average players??

Danno · 02-06-2013, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Did you say Smith and Harper are above average players??

Its debatable. Smith has certainly declined but he's always been up and down. Its impossible to grade any player on this defense based on 2012. None of them were used to their strengths, and Sean Payton said nearly the same exact thing two weeks ago.

Harper, when used as a traditional Strong Safety, is indeed above average. As a deep centerfield safety or in a 2 high safety system... uhhh not so much.

Supertek · 02-06-2013, 04:35 PM

Ellis,Smith,Vilma,Harper,Ellis,Robinson,Shanle all need to go salary and performance all add up give the young guys a shot at it. I think the rest can do as well if not better than all of these. If we are lucky to find one or two top FA,s then go for them if not let our scouting team do their work. No way should we stay with what we got. Jenkins may be on that list but There may still be hope for him. Jenkins has more than enough speed but never gets help over the top. This should be the highest priority hands down. Some will disagree and say it is the line but who is on the line Ellis and Smith

Supertek · 02-06-2013, 04:46 PM

Oops Ellis twice so double that with Him

TheEnigma · 02-06-2013, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The main 4

Will Smith
Vilma
Sed Ellis
Scott Shanle

This, but I would add Patrick Robinson.

02-06-2013, 03:29 PM	#11
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by TheOak You can cut with out the hit. At least that's how I read it. Signing bonus money accellerates to the year you cut them. It can no longer be spread over the life of the contract once you terminate the contract. Cutting Will Smith only saves 7 million, not 14. Cutting Vilma only saves 6 million, not 8.6. Cutting Harper only saves 4 million, not 7. Cutting Hartley only saves 1.1 million, not 2.6 And then you have to add the cost to replace those players. FinSaint likes this.

02-06-2013, 03:32 PM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by Danno Signing bonus money accellerates to the year you cut them. It can no longer be spread over the life of the contract once you terminate the contract. Cutting Will Smith only saves 7 million, not 14. Cutting Vilma only saves 6 million, not 8.6. Cutting Harper only saves 4 million, not 7. Cutting Hartley only saves 1.1 million, not 2.6 And then you have to add the cost to replace those players. Replacing Smith, Vilma, and Harper with equal to or greater talent would not be too difficult.

02-06-2013, 03:42 PM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by TheOak Replacing Smith, Vilma, and Harper with equal to or greater talent would not be too difficult. I disagree sort of. It won't be cheap. They are certainly overpaid, but they are also all above average players. Even average players cost more in free agency than they're worth. Replacing them with comparable players will save some money, but nowhere near what we need to get under the cap.

02-06-2013, 03:51 PM	#14
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by Danno I disagree sort of. It won't be cheap. They are certainly overpaid, but they are also all above average players. Even average players cost more in free agency than they're worth. Replacing them with comparable players will save some money, but nowhere near what we need to get under the cap. Meet me 1/2 way? In regards to Smith... I just want a new name to whine about.

02-06-2013, 04:09 PM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by TheOak Meet me 1/2 way? In regards to Smith... I just want a new name to whine about. Oh I agree that all 3 will have to re-structure or "bye-bye". Its just no gonna save us nearly as much as their 2013 cap hit suggests. I'm a Harper fan, but no way he's worth that kind of cash. No safety in this league is worth that. Donte Whitner was absolutely schooled in the Superbowl. He couldn't cover squat. He looked every bit as bad as Harper/Jenkins and he's widely considered one of the best in the NFL Torching DB's is just the current state of the pass-happy NFL now. The best secondary in all of the NFL was torched in the playoffs by Matt Friggin Ryan. I'm not sure there's much difference between an A-Plus safety and a C-Plus safety anymore. So why pay A-plus money for one?

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by Danno I disagree sort of. It won't be cheap. They are certainly overpaid, but they are also all above average players. . Did you say Smith and Harper are above average players??

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by K Major Did you say Smith and Harper are above average players?? Its debatable. Smith has certainly declined but he's always been up and down. Its impossible to grade any player on this defense based on 2012. None of them were used to their strengths, and Sean Payton said nearly the same exact thing two weeks ago. Harper, when used as a traditional Strong Safety, is indeed above average. As a deep centerfield safety or in a 2 high safety system... uhhh not so much. lumm0x likes this.

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Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	Re: Time to start releasing players? Ellis,Smith,Vilma,Harper,Ellis,Robinson,Shanle all need to go salary and performance all add up give the young guys a shot at it. I think the rest can do as well if not better than all of these. If we are lucky to find one or two top FA,s then go for them if not let our scouting team do their work. No way should we stay with what we got. Jenkins may be on that list but There may still be hope for him. Jenkins has more than enough speed but never gets help over the top. This should be the highest priority hands down. Some will disagree and say it is the line but who is on the line Ellis and Smith

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TheEnigma 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 711	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by dizzle88 The main 4 Will Smith Vilma Sed Ellis Scott Shanle This, but I would add Patrick Robinson. K Major likes this.
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