Time to start releasing players?

TheOak · 02-06-2013, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Oh I agree that all 3 will have to re-structure or "bye-bye". Its just no gonna save us nearly as much as their 2013 cap hit suggests.

I'm a Harper fan, but no way he's worth that kind of cash. No safety in this league is worth that. Donte Whitner was absolutely schooled in the Superbowl. He couldn't cover squat.

He looked every bit as bad as Harper/Jenkins and he's widely considered one of the best in the NFL

Torching DB's is just the current state of the pass-happy NFL now. The best secondary in all of the NFL was torched in the playoffs by Matt Friggin Ryan.

I'm not sure there's much difference between an A-Plus safety and a C-Plus safety anymore. So why pay A-plus money for one?

In essence they have become commoditized like RBs. No body wants to pay big money for RBs because they get hurt and with the way the game has changed they don't get the value out of dbacks.

Luda34 · 02-06-2013, 09:59 PM

I would let Ellis, Smith and Harper go.

|Mitch| · 02-06-2013, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Luda34

I would let Ellis, Smith and Harper go.

Ellis is a free agent, we just won't resign him...

Luda34 · 02-06-2013, 10:47 PM

Thanks Mitch I didn't know that.

saintsfan403 · 02-07-2013, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Signing bonus money accellerates to the year you cut them. It can no longer be spread over the life of the contract once you terminate the contract.

Cutting Will Smith only saves 7 million, not 14.
Cutting Vilma only saves 6 million, not 8.6.
Cutting Harper only saves 4 million, not 7.
Cutting Hartley only saves 1.1 million, not 2.6

And then you have to add the cost to replace those players.

In regards to Vilma, he's already been replaced by Lofton. Replacing him as an outside backer probably won't be that hard, especially with the shift to a 34.
Having a better pass rush would also help out harper, so maybe keep him around for another season to see if he improves?

TheOak · 02-07-2013, 05:44 AM

We need to stop keeping players one more season to see if they have improve.

Neither Smith or Vilma has had a flat or up season in the last two years. We are not going to get better keeping declining players for one more year.

hagan714 · 02-07-2013, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan403

In regards to Vilma, he's already been replaced by Lofton. Replacing him as an outside backer probably won't be that hard, especially with the shift to a 34.
Having a better pass rush would also help out harper, so maybe keep him around for another season to see if he improves?

micky has his work cut out for himself this off season

Rugby Saint II · 02-07-2013, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

micky has his work cut out for himself this off season

That he does my friend.....that he does. Again!

Danno · 02-07-2013, 06:48 PM

Also, from another thread I learned that 3 days after the Superbowl is a key date for many NFL players since thats when some bonus money clauses kick in.

Not sure if any of ours are tied to that date tho.

K Major · 02-07-2013, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We need to stop keeping players one more season to see if they have improve.

Neither Smith or Vilma has had a flat or up season in the last two years. We are not going to get better keeping declining players for one more year.

I completely agree with you.

02-06-2013, 05:31 PM	#21
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by Danno Oh I agree that all 3 will have to re-structure or "bye-bye". Its just no gonna save us nearly as much as their 2013 cap hit suggests. I'm a Harper fan, but no way he's worth that kind of cash. No safety in this league is worth that. Donte Whitner was absolutely schooled in the Superbowl. He couldn't cover squat. He looked every bit as bad as Harper/Jenkins and he's widely considered one of the best in the NFL Torching DB's is just the current state of the pass-happy NFL now. The best secondary in all of the NFL was torched in the playoffs by Matt Friggin Ryan. I'm not sure there's much difference between an A-Plus safety and a C-Plus safety anymore. So why pay A-plus money for one? In essence they have become commoditized like RBs. No body wants to pay big money for RBs because they get hurt and with the way the game has changed they don't get the value out of dbacks.

02-06-2013, 09:59 PM	#22
Luda34 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,219	Re: Time to start releasing players? I would let Ellis, Smith and Harper go.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by Luda34 I would let Ellis, Smith and Harper go. Ellis is a free agent, we just won't resign him... K Major likes this.

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Luda34 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,219	Re: Time to start releasing players? Thanks Mitch I didn't know that.

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saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by Danno Signing bonus money accellerates to the year you cut them. It can no longer be spread over the life of the contract once you terminate the contract. Cutting Will Smith only saves 7 million, not 14. Cutting Vilma only saves 6 million, not 8.6. Cutting Harper only saves 4 million, not 7. Cutting Hartley only saves 1.1 million, not 2.6 And then you have to add the cost to replace those players. In regards to Vilma, he's already been replaced by Lofton. Replacing him as an outside backer probably won't be that hard, especially with the shift to a 34. Having a better pass rush would also help out harper, so maybe keep him around for another season to see if he improves?

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02-07-2013, 05:44 AM	#26
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	We need to stop keeping players one more season to see if they have improve. Neither Smith or Vilma has had a flat or up season in the last two years. We are not going to get better keeping declining players for one more year.

02-07-2013, 06:26 AM	#27
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by saintsfan403 In regards to Vilma, he's already been replaced by Lofton. Replacing him as an outside backer probably won't be that hard, especially with the shift to a 34. Having a better pass rush would also help out harper, so maybe keep him around for another season to see if he improves? micky has his work cut out for himself this off season Rugby Saint II likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by hagan714 micky has his work cut out for himself this off season That he does my friend.....that he does. Again!

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Time to start releasing players? Also, from another thread I learned that 3 days after the Superbowl is a key date for many NFL players since thats when some bonus money clauses kick in. Not sure if any of ours are tied to that date tho.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by TheOak We need to stop keeping players one more season to see if they have improve. Neither Smith or Vilma has had a flat or up season in the last two years. We are not going to get better keeping declining players for one more year. I completely agree with you.

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