Time to start releasing players?

TheOak · 02-06-2013, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You aren't including the cap hit for cutting them

You can cut with out the hit. At least that's how I read it.

"Okay...this helps the team in the first few years of the contract, but what happens in the later years when the salary begins to escalate?

Answer: The team can do one of two things.

They can either outright release the player (to avoid having to pay his salary all together) or they can renegotiate a more "cap friendly" contract."
http://www.askthecommish.com/SalaryCap/faq.aspx

Danno · 02-06-2013, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You can cut with out the hit. At least that's how I read it.

Signing bonus money accellerates to the year you cut them. It can no longer be spread over the life of the contract once you terminate the contract.

Cutting Will Smith only saves 7 million, not 14.
Cutting Vilma only saves 6 million, not 8.6.
Cutting Harper only saves 4 million, not 7.
Cutting Hartley only saves 1.1 million, not 2.6

And then you have to add the cost to replace those players.

saintsfan403 · 02-06-2013, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Signing bonus money accellerates to the year you cut them. It can no longer be spread over the life of the contract once you terminate the contract.

Cutting Will Smith only saves 7 million, not 14.
Cutting Vilma only saves 6 million, not 8.6.
Cutting Harper only saves 4 million, not 7.
Cutting Hartley only saves 1.1 million, not 2.6

And then you have to add the cost to replace those players.

In regards to Vilma, he's already been replaced by Lofton. Replacing him as an outside backer probably won't be that hard, especially with the shift to a 34.
Having a better pass rush would also help out harper, so maybe keep him around for another season to see if he improves?

hagan714 · 02-07-2013, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan403

In regards to Vilma, he's already been replaced by Lofton. Replacing him as an outside backer probably won't be that hard, especially with the shift to a 34.
Having a better pass rush would also help out harper, so maybe keep him around for another season to see if he improves?

micky has his work cut out for himself this off season

Rugby Saint II · 02-07-2013, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

micky has his work cut out for himself this off season

That he does my friend.....that he does. Again!

TheOak · 02-06-2013, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Signing bonus money accellerates to the year you cut them. It can no longer be spread over the life of the contract once you terminate the contract.

Cutting Will Smith only saves 7 million, not 14.
Cutting Vilma only saves 6 million, not 8.6.
Cutting Harper only saves 4 million, not 7.
Cutting Hartley only saves 1.1 million, not 2.6

And then you have to add the cost to replace those players.

Replacing Smith, Vilma, and Harper with equal to or greater talent would not be too difficult.

Danno · 02-06-2013, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Replacing Smith, Vilma, and Harper with equal to or greater talent would not be too difficult.

I disagree sort of. It won't be cheap.

They are certainly overpaid, but they are also all above average players.

Even average players cost more in free agency than they're worth.

Replacing them with comparable players will save some money, but nowhere near what we need to get under the cap.

TheOak · 02-06-2013, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I disagree sort of. It won't be cheap.

They are certainly overpaid, but they are also all above average players.

Even average players cost more in free agency than they're worth.

Replacing them with comparable players will save some money, but nowhere near what we need to get under the cap.

Meet me 1/2 way?

In regards to Smith... I just want a new name to whine about.

Danno · 02-06-2013, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Meet me 1/2 way?

In regards to Smith... I just want a new name to whine about.

Oh I agree that all 3 will have to re-structure or "bye-bye". Its just no gonna save us nearly as much as their 2013 cap hit suggests.

I'm a Harper fan, but no way he's worth that kind of cash. No safety in this league is worth that. Donte Whitner was absolutely schooled in the Superbowl. He couldn't cover squat.

He looked every bit as bad as Harper/Jenkins and he's widely considered one of the best in the NFL

Torching DB's is just the current state of the pass-happy NFL now. The best secondary in all of the NFL was torched in the playoffs by Matt Friggin Ryan.

I'm not sure there's much difference between an A-Plus safety and a C-Plus safety anymore. So why pay A-plus money for one?

K Major · 02-06-2013, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I disagree sort of. It won't be cheap.

They are certainly overpaid, but they are also all above average players.

.

Did you say Smith and Harper are above average players??

02-06-2013, 02:12 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Originally Posted by Danno You aren't including the cap hit for cutting them You can cut with out the hit. At least that's how I read it. "Okay...this helps the team in the first few years of the contract, but what happens in the later years when the salary begins to escalate? Answer: The team can do one of two things. They can either outright release the player (to avoid having to pay his salary all together) or they can renegotiate a more "cap friendly" contract." http://www.askthecommish.com/SalaryCap/faq.aspx
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02-06-2013, 02:29 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by TheOak You can cut with out the hit. At least that's how I read it. Signing bonus money accellerates to the year you cut them. It can no longer be spread over the life of the contract once you terminate the contract. Cutting Will Smith only saves 7 million, not 14. Cutting Vilma only saves 6 million, not 8.6. Cutting Harper only saves 4 million, not 7. Cutting Hartley only saves 1.1 million, not 2.6 And then you have to add the cost to replace those players. FinSaint likes this.

02-06-2013, 11:36 PM	#3
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by Danno Signing bonus money accellerates to the year you cut them. It can no longer be spread over the life of the contract once you terminate the contract. Cutting Will Smith only saves 7 million, not 14. Cutting Vilma only saves 6 million, not 8.6. Cutting Harper only saves 4 million, not 7. Cutting Hartley only saves 1.1 million, not 2.6 And then you have to add the cost to replace those players. In regards to Vilma, he's already been replaced by Lofton. Replacing him as an outside backer probably won't be that hard, especially with the shift to a 34. Having a better pass rush would also help out harper, so maybe keep him around for another season to see if he improves?

02-07-2013, 05:26 AM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by saintsfan403 In regards to Vilma, he's already been replaced by Lofton. Replacing him as an outside backer probably won't be that hard, especially with the shift to a 34. Having a better pass rush would also help out harper, so maybe keep him around for another season to see if he improves? micky has his work cut out for himself this off season Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-07-2013, 03:37 PM	#5
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,148	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by hagan714 micky has his work cut out for himself this off season That he does my friend.....that he does. Again!

02-06-2013, 02:32 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Originally Posted by Danno Signing bonus money accellerates to the year you cut them. It can no longer be spread over the life of the contract once you terminate the contract. Cutting Will Smith only saves 7 million, not 14. Cutting Vilma only saves 6 million, not 8.6. Cutting Harper only saves 4 million, not 7. Cutting Hartley only saves 1.1 million, not 2.6 And then you have to add the cost to replace those players. Replacing Smith, Vilma, and Harper with equal to or greater talent would not be too difficult.

02-06-2013, 02:42 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by TheOak Replacing Smith, Vilma, and Harper with equal to or greater talent would not be too difficult. I disagree sort of. It won't be cheap. They are certainly overpaid, but they are also all above average players. Even average players cost more in free agency than they're worth. Replacing them with comparable players will save some money, but nowhere near what we need to get under the cap.

02-06-2013, 02:51 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by Danno I disagree sort of. It won't be cheap. They are certainly overpaid, but they are also all above average players. Even average players cost more in free agency than they're worth. Replacing them with comparable players will save some money, but nowhere near what we need to get under the cap. Meet me 1/2 way? In regards to Smith... I just want a new name to whine about.

02-06-2013, 03:09 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by TheOak Meet me 1/2 way? In regards to Smith... I just want a new name to whine about. Oh I agree that all 3 will have to re-structure or "bye-bye". Its just no gonna save us nearly as much as their 2013 cap hit suggests. I'm a Harper fan, but no way he's worth that kind of cash. No safety in this league is worth that. Donte Whitner was absolutely schooled in the Superbowl. He couldn't cover squat. He looked every bit as bad as Harper/Jenkins and he's widely considered one of the best in the NFL Torching DB's is just the current state of the pass-happy NFL now. The best secondary in all of the NFL was torched in the playoffs by Matt Friggin Ryan. I'm not sure there's much difference between an A-Plus safety and a C-Plus safety anymore. So why pay A-plus money for one?

02-06-2013, 03:17 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,824 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Time to start releasing players? Originally Posted by Danno I disagree sort of. It won't be cheap. They are certainly overpaid, but they are also all above average players. . Did you say Smith and Harper are above average players??

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