Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans

FinSaint · 02-07-2013, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

You're right we played 1 outstanding game...

halloween 65 · 02-07-2013, 09:21 AM

If he gets the job I will support him being with the Saints but I am gun-shy of any DC we get after last season. I could only hope for the best and expect the worst as of right now. If he gets the job and proves his worth that would be the best case senerio at this point, talks cheap!!

TheOak · 02-07-2013, 10:17 AM

My perspective is that everyone HOPED Spags was the answer and thought it was possible because of his past success...

A good % of the people doubted the success because they KNEW we did not have the players to pull it off.

Jamessr · 02-07-2013, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

A good % of the people doubted the success because they KNEW we did not have the players to pull it off.

I wanna add to that
The fact we didn't have the players is not Spags in fault.
Where I blame him is he didn't work with what he had. He didn't gauge his people in the preseason games, practice or attempt to make any adjustments in weeks 1-4. It wasn't untill Joe vitt and Vilma came back we started adjusting. We started making plays....
Maybe the locker room commets were right... maybe noone liked him.

FinSaint · 02-07-2013, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

I wanna add to that
The fact we didn't have the players is not Spags in fault.
Where I blame him is he didn't work with what he had. He didn't gauge his people in the preseason games, practice or attempt to make any adjustments in weeks 1-4. It wasn't untill Joe vitt and Vilma came back we started adjusting. We started making plays....
Maybe the locker room commets were right... maybe noone liked him.

Also, he didn't have Hawthorne in the line-up during that timespan, but had to rely on the old faithful.

TheOak · 02-07-2013, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

I wanna add to that
The fact we didn't have the players is not Spags in fault.
Where I blame him is he didn't work with what he had. He didn't gauge his people in the preseason games, practice or attempt to make any adjustments in weeks 1-4. It wasn't untill Joe vitt and Vilma came back we started adjusting. We started making plays....
Maybe the locker room commets were right... maybe noone liked him.

Would you take a job knowing you did not have the tools to get it done? get it done right?.. Spagnuolo did.

Spagnuolo pretty much failed from start to finish. Had he not, I do believe Sean Payton would have kept him one more season.

FinSaint · 02-07-2013, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Would you take a job knowing you did not have the tools to get it done? get it done right?.. Spagnuolo did.

Spagnuolo pretty much failed from start to finish. Had he not, I do believe Sean Payton would have kept him one more season.

How could he have known that?

He couldn't personally evaluate the players before he was hired, so he couldn't really know what he had on the Saints roster and how those players fit into his system - outside of players he had already coached/met before.

TheOak · 02-07-2013, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

How could he have known that?

He couldn't personally evaluate the players before he was hired, so he couldn't really know what he had on the Saints roster and how those players fit into his system - outside of players he had already coached/met before.

Not true. There are hours and hours of tape on every team including our defense. So only a handful of new players would have been unknown to him.

As the HC of the St. Louis Rams you are going to tell me he didn't know the personnel on our defense, their strengths and weaknesses? He coached against them at least 3 times, say them in Playoff games and a SB.

That's like saying Sean Payton can not possibly evaluate draft picks until after they play for him.

hagan714 · 02-07-2013, 12:07 PM

attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme

TheOak · 02-07-2013, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

How could he have known that?

He couldn't personally evaluate the players before he was hired, so he couldn't really know what he had on the Saints roster and how those players fit into his system - outside of players he had already coached/met before.

Mental preparedness went out the window with Bountygate, secret listening lines...

If you want to evaluate personalities and intelligence then yes 1 on 1.

If you want to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of a defense and its players then all you need is tape to know we would have major problems getting to the QB.

Heck brother, you watched 16 saints games this season and you can identify our defenses strengths and weaknesses. Now if you had scouting reports you would know a crap load about what you would be walking into as a DC.

02-07-2013, 11:39 AM	#1
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans Originally Posted by Jamessr You're right we played 1 outstanding game...

02-07-2013, 09:21 AM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans If he gets the job I will support him being with the Saints but I am gun-shy of any DC we get after last season. I could only hope for the best and expect the worst as of right now. If he gets the job and proves his worth that would be the best case senerio at this point, talks cheap!!

02-07-2013, 10:17 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans My perspective is that everyone HOPED Spags was the answer and thought it was possible because of his past success... A good % of the people doubted the success because they KNEW we did not have the players to pull it off.

02-07-2013, 11:37 AM	#4
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans Originally Posted by TheOak A good % of the people doubted the success because they KNEW we did not have the players to pull it off. I wanna add to that The fact we didn't have the players is not Spags in fault. Where I blame him is he didn't work with what he had. He didn't gauge his people in the preseason games, practice or attempt to make any adjustments in weeks 1-4. It wasn't untill Joe vitt and Vilma came back we started adjusting. We started making plays.... Maybe the locker room commets were right... maybe noone liked him.

02-07-2013, 11:42 AM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans Originally Posted by Jamessr I wanna add to that The fact we didn't have the players is not Spags in fault. Where I blame him is he didn't work with what he had. He didn't gauge his people in the preseason games, practice or attempt to make any adjustments in weeks 1-4. It wasn't untill Joe vitt and Vilma came back we started adjusting. We started making plays.... Maybe the locker room commets were right... maybe noone liked him. Also, he didn't have Hawthorne in the line-up during that timespan, but had to rely on the old faithful.

02-07-2013, 11:47 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans Originally Posted by Jamessr I wanna add to that The fact we didn't have the players is not Spags in fault. Where I blame him is he didn't work with what he had. He didn't gauge his people in the preseason games, practice or attempt to make any adjustments in weeks 1-4. It wasn't untill Joe vitt and Vilma came back we started adjusting. We started making plays.... Maybe the locker room commets were right... maybe noone liked him. Would you take a job knowing you did not have the tools to get it done? get it done right?.. Spagnuolo did. Spagnuolo pretty much failed from start to finish. Had he not, I do believe Sean Payton would have kept him one more season.

02-07-2013, 12:50 PM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans Originally Posted by TheOak Would you take a job knowing you did not have the tools to get it done? get it done right?.. Spagnuolo did. Spagnuolo pretty much failed from start to finish. Had he not, I do believe Sean Payton would have kept him one more season. How could he have known that? He couldn't personally evaluate the players before he was hired, so he couldn't really know what he had on the Saints roster and how those players fit into his system - outside of players he had already coached/met before.

02-07-2013, 12:58 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans Originally Posted by FinSaint How could he have known that? He couldn't personally evaluate the players before he was hired, so he couldn't really know what he had on the Saints roster and how those players fit into his system - outside of players he had already coached/met before. Not true. There are hours and hours of tape on every team including our defense. So only a handful of new players would have been unknown to him. As the HC of the St. Louis Rams you are going to tell me he didn't know the personnel on our defense, their strengths and weaknesses? He coached against them at least 3 times, say them in Playoff games and a SB. That's like saying Sean Payton can not possibly evaluate draft picks until after they play for him.

02-07-2013, 12:07 PM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme

02-07-2013, 02:50 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Originally Posted by FinSaint How could he have known that? He couldn't personally evaluate the players before he was hired, so he couldn't really know what he had on the Saints roster and how those players fit into his system - outside of players he had already coached/met before. Mental preparedness went out the window with Bountygate, secret listening lines... If you want to evaluate personalities and intelligence then yes 1 on 1. If you want to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of a defense and its players then all you need is tape to know we would have major problems getting to the QB. Heck brother, you watched 16 saints games this season and you can identify our defenses strengths and weaknesses. Now if you had scouting reports you would know a crap load about what you would be walking into as a DC.

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