Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans

02-07-2013, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Okay, let's use you as our pre-season prognosticator. how did you feel about Spags this time last year?

See I'm not sure what to think about Big Rob. I was mildly positive and hugely hopeful about Spags. After last year, I have a real Missouri attitude toward all of'em. When I think about it, they're all either out of work, coaching down at the college level, or doing something other than a DC gig. So I'm wondering how you were feeling about Spags last year so I can get something to base my opinion on.

I wanted jack

i believe spags ego got in the way and he was unwilling to move players back to other positions they played before. no 1/2 time adjustments drove me crazzyyyyyy

but no matter which way they go i will let the season run its course and give them a shot. heck i was still giving spags another pass for 2013.

Still wanted some one to ask him how many MLB it takes to fill a LB Corp in a 43?

it looks like the list is getting shorter. niners kinda took the wind out of my sails. again

FinSaint · 02-07-2013, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Ill give you that 20% of the D may have been an unknown... HOWEVER, Spags was a huge part of the decision on the defensive drafts and FA. So he made part of his own bed.

Nothing wrong with the defensive draft, Hicks and White were both strong picks, and both will be big contributors in the future - yes, White also.

And Spags definitely had a hand in the free agency, but he can't really do anything if the FO can't get a player signed whom Spags would've wanted.

But anyway, it doesn't matter. Spags clearly wasn't the answer, but he definitely wasn't the only reason why the defense was as bad as it was, no matter how much some seem to think so.

saintsfan1976 · 02-07-2013, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I cant agree with that. Payton has learned what damage a loose cannon can actually do. Ive seen nothing to prove Payton can control a loose cannon. That takes too much evergy and we do not need distractions. We have enough already.

That's my point Oak - he's learned a lesson from giving a guy like GW free reign.

Rugby Saint II · 02-07-2013, 09:33 PM

An attitude is not always the best thing to have,

pherein · 02-07-2013, 09:58 PM

Personally I think its was Sprag and not so much the defense. Sprags was a HC sense 2009. 3 Years of being god on the field to build his ego, and 3 years to forget how to be a great DC.
He walked in here still in HC mode, and with no one like SP to slap him around on the sidelines, he pretty much did what he wanted. I think some of the players statements support that.

Not saying Sprags is a bad guy or DC. Just saying he forget how to be a DC and acted like a HC to the defense. In 2-3 seasons Sprag will find his place again, and forget about getting another HC job. But he wasnt ready when he came here. The numbers on D were way to horrible to blame it on players.
..and one of the hazards of hiring a HC who used to be a great DC removed from coorinating for so long .. and the only thing that worries me about Crennel also. Otherwise I like Crennel as a pick.

TheOak · 02-08-2013, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

That's my point Oak - he's learned a lesson from giving a guy like GW free reign.

However if you want true talent you have to give up autonomy. If you dont then... well see Jerry Jones and his ability to get talented coaches.

02-07-2013, 06:23 PM	#31
Threaded by hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Seer1 Okay, let's use you as our pre-season prognosticator. how did you feel about Spags this time last year? See I'm not sure what to think about Big Rob. I was mildly positive and hugely hopeful about Spags. After last year, I have a real Missouri attitude toward all of'em. When I think about it, they're all either out of work, coaching down at the college level, or doing something other than a DC gig. So I'm wondering how you were feeling about Spags last year so I can get something to base my opinion on. I wanted jack i believe spags ego got in the way and he was unwilling to move players back to other positions they played before. no 1/2 time adjustments drove me crazzyyyyyy but no matter which way they go i will let the season run its course and give them a shot. heck i was still giving spags another pass for 2013. Still wanted some one to ask him how many MLB it takes to fill a LB Corp in a 43? it looks like the list is getting shorter. niners kinda took the wind out of my sails. again Last edited by hagan714; 02-07-2013 at 06:46 PM..
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02-07-2013, 07:20 PM	#32
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans Originally Posted by TheOak Ill give you that 20% of the D may have been an unknown... HOWEVER, Spags was a huge part of the decision on the defensive drafts and FA. So he made part of his own bed. Nothing wrong with the defensive draft, Hicks and White were both strong picks, and both will be big contributors in the future - yes, White also. And Spags definitely had a hand in the free agency, but he can't really do anything if the FO can't get a player signed whom Spags would've wanted. But anyway, it doesn't matter. Spags clearly wasn't the answer, but he definitely wasn't the only reason why the defense was as bad as it was, no matter how much some seem to think so.

02-07-2013, 07:28 PM	#33
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans Originally Posted by TheOak I cant agree with that. Payton has learned what damage a loose cannon can actually do. Ive seen nothing to prove Payton can control a loose cannon. That takes too much evergy and we do not need distractions. We have enough already. That's my point Oak - he's learned a lesson from giving a guy like GW free reign.

02-07-2013, 09:33 PM	#34
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans An attitude is not always the best thing to have,

02-07-2013, 09:58 PM	#35
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans Personally I think its was Sprag and not so much the defense. Sprags was a HC sense 2009. 3 Years of being god on the field to build his ego, and 3 years to forget how to be a great DC. He walked in here still in HC mode, and with no one like SP to slap him around on the sidelines, he pretty much did what he wanted. I think some of the players statements support that. Not saying Sprags is a bad guy or DC. Just saying he forget how to be a DC and acted like a HC to the defense. In 2-3 seasons Sprag will find his place again, and forget about getting another HC job. But he wasnt ready when he came here. The numbers on D were way to horrible to blame it on players. ..and one of the hazards of hiring a HC who used to be a great DC removed from coorinating for so long .. and the only thing that worries me about Crennel also. Otherwise I like Crennel as a pick.
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02-08-2013, 07:58 AM	#36
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 That's my point Oak - he's learned a lesson from giving a guy like GW free reign. However if you want true talent you have to give up autonomy. If you dont then... well see Jerry Jones and his ability to get talented coaches.

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