I thought more about the Ryan hire

xan · 02-11-2013, 03:43 PM

Yeah, Payton sat on the couch saying, "Sure, we don't have the right coaches or the right personnel, and it will take 3 years to transition to the new scheme, but dammit, that coach figured out how to irritate Drew so he's all-right by me."

|Mitch| · 02-11-2013, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I said the same exact thing before he was fired..

No hind sight brother.

If Spags would have turned the defense around, he would have still been here... Payton saw that it didn't work, so he made the switch back to what worked in '09...

He didn't hire Spagnoulo with the thought of firing him after one year,

He sat on the couch all year seeing the same thing we did, uninspired, defense lacking confidence = Ryan hiring

TheOak · 02-11-2013, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

What exactly does that mean? Spags was hired before all the bounty crap came out and the Failcons had already hired Nolan so at the time Spags hiring was acceptable. He just didn't work out with our players.

2012 was anything but a season where Spags had an honest shot with a full season that is normal by NFL standards.

Spags just didn't spend a season with a team having a normal season with a present and accounted for Head Coach, General Manager.

I'm no Spags fan, I don't think our players were smart enough to pull his scheme off anyway.

Just saying he wasn't fired because it didn't work, he was fired because when the worst defense in history finishes a season, regardless of circumstances, someone's head has to roll.

TheOak · 02-11-2013, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

If Spags would have turned the defense around, he would have still been here... Payton saw that it didn't work, so he made the switch back to what worked in '09...

He didn't hire Spagnoulo with the thought of firing him after one year,

He sat on the couch all year seeing the same thing we did, uninspired, defense lacking confidence = Ryan hiring

And he didn't revert back to 2009.

Did we run a 3-4 in 2009? This is not a revert, this is a major overhaul.

Spags was also fired because he doesn't run a 3-4.

Danno · 02-11-2013, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I'm no Spags fan, I don't think our players were smart enough to pull his scheme off anyway.

Disagree completely. The entire scheme placed square pegs in round holes. It wasn't just that it was a complicated scheme.

Place Troy Polamalu in a Tampa-2 and he's freaking abused all game long. Let him play his traditional SS role near the LOS and he's a hall of famer, likely 1st ballot.

Nnamdi Asomugha's was one of the best man-to-man CB's in the entire league, but when placed in the Eagles mostly zone schemes he flat out sucked. They're ready to run him out of Philly as much as we wanted Jason David gone.

saintsfan1976 · 02-11-2013, 05:26 PM

Major overhaul??

Didn't the players themselves claim they ran a base 3-4 when Williams was coach?

TheOak · 02-11-2013, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Major overhaul??

Didn't the players themselves claim they ran a base 3-4 when Williams was coach?

Who was the nose?

Sean Payton
"I personally want to thank Steve and Ken for their contributions during what was an unprecedented 2012 season," Payton said in a statement issued by the team. "Philosophically we are changing our defense to a 3-4 alignment and right now is the best time to accomplish this transition."

saintsfan1976 · 02-11-2013, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Who was the nose?

Sean Payton
"I personally want to thank Steve and Ken for their contributions during what was an unprecedented 2012 season," Payton said in a statement issued by the team. "Philosophically we are changing our defense to a 3-4 alignment and right now is the best time to accomplish this transition."

I believe they used your boy Sean (beefcake) Rogers some at NT.

So why did Sean even hire a 4-3 guy?

TheOak · 02-11-2013, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

So why did Sean even hire a 4-3 guy?

LOL I don't know, you tell me. I don't recall an announcement of a switch to the 4-3 in 2012.

Now, players claiming experience in a 3-4 doesn't surprise me. When you just participated in the worst defense
In history and your not considered better than an average player you say anything you can to keep a job when your employer says we are changing things up...... I would claim familiarity too

lumm0x · 02-11-2013, 06:40 PM

Pretty much agree. Aggressive defense and forcing turnovers can make inferior personnel look better. We don't have a suffocating group who can play solid D in all facets so let's throw caution to the wind and try to pressure QB's into throwing early before getting through progressions, making our CB's have to cover less time and hoping it eliminates those big plays that need time to develop.

02-11-2013, 03:43 PM	#11
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,368 Blog Entries: 34	Re: I thought more about the Ryan hire Yeah, Payton sat on the couch saying, "Sure, we don't have the right coaches or the right personnel, and it will take 3 years to transition to the new scheme, but dammit, that coach figured out how to irritate Drew so he's all-right by me."

02-11-2013, 03:52 PM	#12
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: I thought more about the Ryan hire Originally Posted by TheOak I said the same exact thing before he was fired.. No hind sight brother. If Spags would have turned the defense around, he would have still been here... Payton saw that it didn't work, so he made the switch back to what worked in '09... He didn't hire Spagnoulo with the thought of firing him after one year, He sat on the couch all year seeing the same thing we did, uninspired, defense lacking confidence = Ryan hiring

02-11-2013, 04:45 PM	#13
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Originally Posted by Budsdrinker What exactly does that mean? Spags was hired before all the bounty crap came out and the Failcons had already hired Nolan so at the time Spags hiring was acceptable. He just didn't work out with our players. 2012 was anything but a season where Spags had an honest shot with a full season that is normal by NFL standards. Spags just didn't spend a season with a team having a normal season with a present and accounted for Head Coach, General Manager. I'm no Spags fan, I don't think our players were smart enough to pull his scheme off anyway. Just saying he wasn't fired because it didn't work, he was fired because when the worst defense in history finishes a season, regardless of circumstances, someone's head has to roll.

02-11-2013, 04:46 PM	#14
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| If Spags would have turned the defense around, he would have still been here... Payton saw that it didn't work, so he made the switch back to what worked in '09... He didn't hire Spagnoulo with the thought of firing him after one year, He sat on the couch all year seeing the same thing we did, uninspired, defense lacking confidence = Ryan hiring And he didn't revert back to 2009. Did we run a 3-4 in 2009? This is not a revert, this is a major overhaul. Spags was also fired because he doesn't run a 3-4.

02-11-2013, 05:24 PM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: I thought more about the Ryan hire Originally Posted by TheOak I'm no Spags fan, I don't think our players were smart enough to pull his scheme off anyway. Disagree completely. The entire scheme placed square pegs in round holes. It wasn't just that it was a complicated scheme. Place Troy Polamalu in a Tampa-2 and he's freaking abused all game long. Let him play his traditional SS role near the LOS and he's a hall of famer, likely 1st ballot. Nnamdi Asomugha's was one of the best man-to-man CB's in the entire league, but when placed in the Eagles mostly zone schemes he flat out sucked. They're ready to run him out of Philly as much as we wanted Jason David gone. saintfan likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Major overhaul?? Didn't the players themselves claim they ran a base 3-4 when Williams was coach? Who was the nose? Sean Payton "I personally want to thank Steve and Ken for their contributions during what was an unprecedented 2012 season," Payton said in a statement issued by the team. "Philosophically we are changing our defense to a 3-4 alignment and right now is the best time to accomplish this transition."

02-11-2013, 05:37 PM	#18
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I thought more about the Ryan hire Originally Posted by TheOak Who was the nose? Sean Payton "I personally want to thank Steve and Ken for their contributions during what was an unprecedented 2012 season," Payton said in a statement issued by the team. "Philosophically we are changing our defense to a 3-4 alignment and right now is the best time to accomplish this transition." I believe they used your boy Sean (beefcake) Rogers some at NT. So why did Sean even hire a 4-3 guy?

02-11-2013, 05:41 PM	#19
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 So why did Sean even hire a 4-3 guy? LOL I don't know, you tell me. I don't recall an announcement of a switch to the 4-3 in 2012. Now, players claiming experience in a 3-4 doesn't surprise me. When you just participated in the worst defense In history and your not considered better than an average player you say anything you can to keep a job when your employer says we are changing things up...... I would claim familiarity too

02-11-2013, 06:40 PM	#20
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: I thought more about the Ryan hire Pretty much agree. Aggressive defense and forcing turnovers can make inferior personnel look better. We don't have a suffocating group who can play solid D in all facets so let's throw caution to the wind and try to pressure QB's into throwing early before getting through progressions, making our CB's have to cover less time and hoping it eliminates those big plays that need time to develop.

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