Sean Payton on Sirius

blackangold · 02-13-2013, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

He wasn't horrible in Mangini's 3-4, he just wasn't all that good.

But Mangini ran a true 2 gap 3-4 where both ILB's take on guards regularly. Rob's 3-4 doesn't do that to both ILB's. One ILB, the MIKE will take on the 2 gaps on the strongside of the line, but both the SAM and the WILL have nearly identical responsibilities as the WILL and SAM in a traditional 4-3.

Vilma at the WILL in Rob's 3-4 is no different than what Vilma played under Spags and Gregg Williams, who ran a lot of 3-4 when he was here.

Mangini's 3-4 and Rob's 3-4 are apples and oranges.

My guess is he re-structures and plays an integral part of our defense next year. Payton praised him throughout that interview and all but guaranteed Vilma will be back and better than ever.

Here's a decent diagram of how Vilma (W) will be used...

Notice the RDE is over the guard. In Mangini's 3-4 the RDE was over the Tackle, leaving both ILB's to take on OG's.

Will I be upset if Vilma is back?... No

But he needs to restructure, and that being said Hawthorne would still be the better option, or have we forgot that Hawthorne was a pro-bowl caliber player with SEA....

Vilma hasn't been healthy for 2 years and when he bounced on and off the injured report during the 2011 season everyone thought Dun-Bar looked better on the field. Now was that due to the injury, maybe. However, the last time Vilma looked like a great player was in 2010. Since then its been downhill for him, and I am sure the injuries have played a large part in that.

02-13-2013, 08:13 PM	#26
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Sean Payton on Sirius Originally Posted by Danno He wasn't horrible in Mangini's 3-4, he just wasn't all that good. But Mangini ran a true 2 gap 3-4 where both ILB's take on guards regularly. Rob's 3-4 doesn't do that to both ILB's. One ILB, the MIKE will take on the 2 gaps on the strongside of the line, but both the SAM and the WILL have nearly identical responsibilities as the WILL and SAM in a traditional 4-3. Vilma at the WILL in Rob's 3-4 is no different than what Vilma played under Spags and Gregg Williams, who ran a lot of 3-4 when he was here. Mangini's 3-4 and Rob's 3-4 are apples and oranges. My guess is he re-structures and plays an integral part of our defense next year. Payton praised him throughout that interview and all but guaranteed Vilma will be back and better than ever. Here's a decent diagram of how Vilma (W) will be used... Notice the RDE is over the guard. In Mangini's 3-4 the RDE was over the Tackle, leaving both ILB's to take on OG's. Will I be upset if Vilma is back?... No But he needs to restructure, and that being said Hawthorne would still be the better option, or have we forgot that Hawthorne was a pro-bowl caliber player with SEA.... Vilma hasn't been healthy for 2 years and when he bounced on and off the injured report during the 2011 season everyone thought Dun-Bar looked better on the field. Now was that due to the injury, maybe. However, the last time Vilma looked like a great player was in 2010. Since then its been downhill for him, and I am sure the injuries have played a large part in that.

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