Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints

03-12-2013, 04:35 PM

How are we still over the cap after all of this? Were we 30-40 million over it originally and not 20 million?

hagan714 · 03-12-2013, 04:41 PM

we went back over the cap when the brain trust gave Jr. that new contract

dizzle88 · 03-12-2013, 04:43 PM

Why can't we just cut our dead weight?
Bills did, eagles did, why can't we cut the players that aren't productive anymore

jonnyrotten · 03-12-2013, 04:43 PM

Ain't gonna lie, not happy about Smith remaining with the team. Bite the bullet and wax him already!

Danno · 03-12-2013, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Why can't we just cut our dead weight?
Bills did, eagles did, why can't we cut the players that aren't productive anymore

Its never that easy. There are multiple miilions of reasons why we haven't yet.

And 2012 throws in a lot of mis-information that make it difficult to determine who dead weight is.

FinSaint · 03-12-2013, 04:54 PM

I do hope that the restructures include severe pay cuts and no additional years on their contracts.

I can't deny it; I'm a bit disappointed by this even though it was the most probable outcome - I would've wanted a more "clean slate" beginning for Ryan's tenure with getting rid of some of the overpaid veterans.

ChrisXVI · 03-12-2013, 04:55 PM

Oh for God's sake... Another season of our coaches starting over-the-hill and unproductive defensive players is in our future. I know that keeping them doesn't necessarily mean that they'll still be starters, but c'mon... You know they will.

jeanpierre · 03-12-2013, 05:13 PM

The Bounty Scandal - we're still paying for it...

AsylumGuido · 03-12-2013, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by TheEnigma

Bad move, these guys should have been cut, Would have freed up more space

I doubt that. We would have taken a $7 million cap hit had they been cut.

TheDeuce · 03-12-2013, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by NuNu318

Exactly at some point you have to cut ties with these guys....they're not helping at this point in their careers....

Maybe just me, but I think these guys still provide value to this team. Will Smith could be a nice fit as a 3-4 DE which places emphasis on stopping the run; something he does very well (and even though he's not a speed pass rusher, he had second most sacks on the team).

IMHO, these guys are good role players... what we really need is to get impact pass rushers at the 3-4 OLB positions. Getting a few speedy guys to get to the QB will solve a lot of ills on this defense.

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03-12-2013, 04:41 PM	#12
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints we went back over the cap when the brain trust gave Jr. that new contract

03-12-2013, 04:43 PM	#13
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Why can't we just cut our dead weight? Bills did, eagles did, why can't we cut the players that aren't productive anymore K Major likes this.

03-12-2013, 04:43 PM	#14
jonnyrotten 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 511	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Ain't gonna lie, not happy about Smith remaining with the team. Bite the bullet and wax him already!

03-12-2013, 04:47 PM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Why can't we just cut our dead weight? Bills did, eagles did, why can't we cut the players that aren't productive anymore Its never that easy. There are multiple miilions of reasons why we haven't yet. And 2012 throws in a lot of mis-information that make it difficult to determine who dead weight is. SaintsBro likes this.

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03-12-2013, 04:54 PM	#16
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints I do hope that the restructures include severe pay cuts and no additional years on their contracts. I can't deny it; I'm a bit disappointed by this even though it was the most probable outcome - I would've wanted a more "clean slate" beginning for Ryan's tenure with getting rid of some of the overpaid veterans. K Major likes this.

03-12-2013, 04:55 PM	#17
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Oh for God's sake... Another season of our coaches starting over-the-hill and unproductive defensive players is in our future. I know that keeping them doesn't necessarily mean that they'll still be starters, but c'mon... You know they will.

03-12-2013, 05:13 PM	#18
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints The Bounty Scandal - we're still paying for it...

03-12-2013, 05:15 PM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,216	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Originally Posted by TheEnigma Bad move, these guys should have been cut, Would have freed up more space I doubt that. We would have taken a $7 million cap hit had they been cut.

03-12-2013, 05:15 PM	#20
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Originally Posted by NuNu318 Exactly at some point you have to cut ties with these guys....they're not helping at this point in their careers.... Maybe just me, but I think these guys still provide value to this team. Will Smith could be a nice fit as a 3-4 DE which places emphasis on stopping the run; something he does very well (and even though he's not a speed pass rusher, he had second most sacks on the team). IMHO, these guys are good role players... what we really need is to get impact pass rushers at the 3-4 OLB positions. Getting a few speedy guys to get to the QB will solve a lot of ills on this defense. saintsfan1976 likes this.
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