Mark Ingram Needs More Carries

Rugby Saint II · 03-22-2013, 01:43 PM

I was big on Ingram coming out of Alabama(Roll Tide). I've soured on him a bit. He has that taunting mentality and seems to be a bit of a thug.

But mostly, he didn't run with passion until after Sproles broke his hand and Ingram was splitting carries with him. Ivory came out slamming the defenders. He was running hard and looking good. That was the game in my opinion when Ingram felt threatened and came out running like he was posessed.
I don't know if we have to keep Ivory around to bolster Ingrams run game or not. But I am worried about how much heart he has.

I really wanted him to be like Emmitt Smith. Humble and hard working. Payton knows how to motivate players so I'm hoping for big things from Ingram after coach watched him run last year while yelling at the TV.

iceshack149 · 03-22-2013, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I was big on Ingram coming out of Alabama(Roll Tide). I've soured on him a bit. He has that taunting mentality and seems to be a bit of a thug.

But mostly, he didn't run with passion until after Sproles broke his hand and Ingram was splitting carries with him. Ivory came out slamming the defenders. He was running hard and looking good. That was the game in my opinion when Ingram felt threatened and came out running like he was posessed.
I don't know if we have to keep Ivory around to bolster Ingrams run game or not. But I am worried about how much heart he has.

I really wanted him to be like Emmitt Smith. Humble and hard working. Payton knows how to motivate players so I'm hoping for big things from Ingram after coach watched him run last year while yelling at the TV.

It did seem that when Ivory came in for plays it changed Ingrams desire. I can't prove that but it sure seemed like it.

I do not see any thug in Ingram. Like Graham, I think that he can get emotional but I'm not seeing thug.

And Emmitt Smith was NOT humble. Hard working maybe, but certainly not humble and he'll tell you that himself. He was just like Irvin. Obnoxious but pretty darn good football players. Many people with football knowledge picked Ingram to be the next Emmitt Smith but many people also pegged Reggie Bush to be the next Gale Sayers.

My thinking is yes, Ingram needs more carries. Work the kid and let him get into a rhythm. And I hope that Payton lights him up at every chance he gets to make sure that he's ready to be the RB that the Saints traded up to get a couple of years ago.

EDIT: I'm waffling now but if MI gets the majority of the carries this season that would mean less chances for PT to be on the field and Thomas is a better all-around back, in my opinion. Perhaps I'd just like to see Ingram wear teams out in the second half of games.

jeanpierre · 03-22-2013, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I was big on Ingram coming out of Alabama(Roll Tide). I've soured on him a bit...But I am worried about how much heart he has.

You questioning the man's heart; watch out, the Bama Posse may come looking for you...

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I really wanted him to be like Emmitt Smith. Humble and hard working.

(Immediate hysterical laughter)

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Payton knows how to motivate players so I'm hoping for big things from Ingram after coach watched him run last year while yelling at the TV.

Motivate him or trade him...

TheOak · 03-22-2013, 02:19 PM

Excuses........... excuses......... Could we possibly think of more?

Danno · 03-22-2013, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Excuses........... excuses......... Could we possibly think of more?

I saw mostly reasons, not excuses.

TheOak · 03-22-2013, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I saw mostly reasons, not excuses.

"He doesn't play enough to play well"?
If a prerequisite to more play is not good play, what is? We should just play a player more because......

"Going around blockers is not his style"
I scratch my head in this one.

Danno · 03-22-2013, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

"He doesn't play enough to play well"?
If a prerequisite to more play is not good play, what is? We should just play a player more because......

"Going around blockers is not his style"
I scratch my head in this one.

You should have quoted those instead of the numerous valid reasons his stats aren't better.

I'm not buying the more carries argument either. I think better blocking and less predictable plays would help him more than anything else.

I don't view those as excuses.

ProMallNinja · 03-22-2013, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

"He doesn't play enough to play well"?
If a prerequisite to more play is not good play, what is? .

It's a combination of not playing enough to get a rhythm and also not utilizing him to his fullest potential. Payton has said it himself. I don't understand. If it were a WR that we only threw 5 yard out routes to then everyone would say we need to throw it to him across the middle some or down the field. We'd say no wonder he always gets 4 catches for 20 yards, but since it's a RB some how it's magically different. Color me baffled....

TheOak · 03-22-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You should have quoted those instead of the numerous valid reasons his stats aren't better.

I'm not buying the more carries argument either. I think better blocking and less predictable plays would help him more than anything else.

I don't view those as excuses.

I did quote those. The only items I have addressed here are his not enough runs, and its a blocking scheme reason, from what I recall.

halloween 65 · 03-22-2013, 03:15 PM

Ingram and Ivory would make a great tandam, both could be used to tighten the field to leave the D guessing, honestly I love Sproles but would trade him for picks in a heartbeat. Ingram, Ivory and PT could make for an excellent trio with Cadet in waiting.

03-22-2013, 01:43 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,151	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries I was big on Ingram coming out of Alabama(Roll Tide). I've soured on him a bit. He has that taunting mentality and seems to be a bit of a thug. But mostly, he didn't run with passion until after Sproles broke his hand and Ingram was splitting carries with him. Ivory came out slamming the defenders. He was running hard and looking good. That was the game in my opinion when Ingram felt threatened and came out running like he was posessed. I don't know if we have to keep Ivory around to bolster Ingrams run game or not. But I am worried about how much heart he has. I really wanted him to be like Emmitt Smith. Humble and hard working. Payton knows how to motivate players so I'm hoping for big things from Ingram after coach watched him run last year while yelling at the TV.
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03-22-2013, 02:34 PM	#2
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,406 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I was big on Ingram coming out of Alabama(Roll Tide). I've soured on him a bit. He has that taunting mentality and seems to be a bit of a thug. But mostly, he didn't run with passion until after Sproles broke his hand and Ingram was splitting carries with him. Ivory came out slamming the defenders. He was running hard and looking good. That was the game in my opinion when Ingram felt threatened and came out running like he was posessed. I don't know if we have to keep Ivory around to bolster Ingrams run game or not. But I am worried about how much heart he has. I really wanted him to be like Emmitt Smith. Humble and hard working. Payton knows how to motivate players so I'm hoping for big things from Ingram after coach watched him run last year while yelling at the TV. It did seem that when Ivory came in for plays it changed Ingrams desire. I can't prove that but it sure seemed like it. I do not see any thug in Ingram. Like Graham, I think that he can get emotional but I'm not seeing thug. And Emmitt Smith was NOT humble. Hard working maybe, but certainly not humble and he'll tell you that himself. He was just like Irvin. Obnoxious but pretty darn good football players. Many people with football knowledge picked Ingram to be the next Emmitt Smith but many people also pegged Reggie Bush to be the next Gale Sayers. My thinking is yes, Ingram needs more carries. Work the kid and let him get into a rhythm. And I hope that Payton lights him up at every chance he gets to make sure that he's ready to be the RB that the Saints traded up to get a couple of years ago. EDIT: I'm waffling now but if MI gets the majority of the carries this season that would mean less chances for PT to be on the field and Thomas is a better all-around back, in my opinion. Perhaps I'd just like to see Ingram wear teams out in the second half of games.
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03-22-2013, 05:47 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I was big on Ingram coming out of Alabama(Roll Tide). I've soured on him a bit...But I am worried about how much heart he has. You questioning the man's heart; watch out, the Bama Posse may come looking for you... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I really wanted him to be like Emmitt Smith. Humble and hard working. (Immediate hysterical laughter) Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Payton knows how to motivate players so I'm hoping for big things from Ingram after coach watched him run last year while yelling at the TV. Motivate him or trade him...

03-22-2013, 02:19 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Excuses........... excuses......... Could we possibly think of more? frankeefrank and Rell&Gold like this.

03-22-2013, 02:32 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by TheOak Excuses........... excuses......... Could we possibly think of more? I saw mostly reasons, not excuses.

03-22-2013, 02:41 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Originally Posted by Danno I saw mostly reasons, not excuses. "He doesn't play enough to play well"? If a prerequisite to more play is not good play, what is? We should just play a player more because...... "Going around blockers is not his style" I scratch my head in this one. Rell&Gold likes this.

03-22-2013, 02:50 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by TheOak "He doesn't play enough to play well"? If a prerequisite to more play is not good play, what is? We should just play a player more because...... "Going around blockers is not his style" I scratch my head in this one. You should have quoted those instead of the numerous valid reasons his stats aren't better. I'm not buying the more carries argument either. I think better blocking and less predictable plays would help him more than anything else. I don't view those as excuses.

03-22-2013, 03:33 PM	#8
ProMallNinja Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: MS Gulf Coast Posts: 242	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by TheOak "He doesn't play enough to play well"? If a prerequisite to more play is not good play, what is? . It's a combination of not playing enough to get a rhythm and also not utilizing him to his fullest potential. Payton has said it himself. I don't understand. If it were a WR that we only threw 5 yard out routes to then everyone would say we need to throw it to him across the middle some or down the field. We'd say no wonder he always gets 4 catches for 20 yards, but since it's a RB some how it's magically different. Color me baffled....

03-22-2013, 02:53 PM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Originally Posted by Danno You should have quoted those instead of the numerous valid reasons his stats aren't better. I'm not buying the more carries argument either. I think better blocking and less predictable plays would help him more than anything else. I don't view those as excuses. I did quote those. The only items I have addressed here are his not enough runs, and its a blocking scheme reason, from what I recall.

03-22-2013, 03:15 PM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Ingram and Ivory would make a great tandam, both could be used to tighten the field to leave the D guessing, honestly I love Sproles but would trade him for picks in a heartbeat. Ingram, Ivory and PT could make for an excellent trio with Cadet in waiting.

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