Mark Ingram Needs More Carries

TheOak · 03-23-2013, 06:03 AM

1. Go back in the time machine, you'll see I outlined exactly how Ingram was utilized last season and it was extremely predictable what and where was going down when he entered the game. I brought that up and identified it.

2. Where does 2.6 YPC come from? Every game he was in until Ivory was put in.. Apparently Ivory makes Ingram run better.

3. Needs more carries to have a better YPC is BS.

If productivity is a direct result of having to have more carries and rhythm then we should gain crapola on the ground the first 1/2.... Correct?

Another reason I don't but this need more.... Need rhythm crapola is because PT doesn't need it, Sproles doesn't need it, Ivory doesn't need it.

Some of you seem to think I don't care for Ingram... Not true at all. I'm just. It going to make excuses for him parking in a Tackles ass.

CheramieIII · 03-23-2013, 09:52 AM

Needs a couple more per game. we have way too many weapons to make him a workhorse like many teams would use him. The power of our offense is the unpredictability for the defense on every play. They have to plan for every thing and hope for the best.

frankeefrank · 03-23-2013, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Needs a couple more per game. we have way too many weapons to make him a workhorse like many teams would use him. The power of our offense is the unpredictability for the defense on every play. They have to plan for every thing and hope for the best.

Thank you Cheramie... that is the bottom line.
Why do we care if Ingram gets more touches?

To be honest, I didn't really know how to comment on this, because I find a flaw in any argument that's purpose if to give more carries to Mark Ingram just because.
Truth is, he has done nothing special for this team.
AND news flash… he got the most carries of any back last year.
WHY?
Ingram - Career 3.9 ypg
PT - Career 4.8 ypg
Is Ingram better than Pierre or Sproles in the passing game?
Not even close.

But yet people keep wanting to believe this guy is about to "get it."
Sorry, I am done waiting.
I did it with Adrian Arrington and Robert Meachem and don't have the time to do it for this guy. He's average... at best.
I hope I am wrong. Because that means the Saints will have one of the best RBs in the game. I hope I am very wrong.

But, who really cares?
What are we really arguing for? One stud? Why?
Between the 4 we have a lethal rush/pass attack…
Combined the 4 RB’s ran for 1536 yards…and caught 122 balls and accounted for 17 TDs.
The Vikings RBs ran for a combined 2266, caught 60 balls and scored 15 TDs.
Their offense 20th in the league, ours 2nd.
They just didn't have the worst defense ever...
So I ask again, why does it have to be one guy?

Marlboro Man · 03-24-2013, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Coming into the NFL as a Heisman trophy winner, Mark Ingram had fairly high expectations. He went late in the first round to the New Orleans Saints, and joined a team that was built around passing. Ingram didn’t join the Saints as a guy who would be a workhorse, he joined a team that had multiple running backs that split time on a pass-heavy offense. Safe to say, he hasn’t exactly gotten a ton of carries in his first two seasons.

It’s too early to tell if Ingram is yet another Heisman bust in the NFL, because we simply haven’t seen a large enough sample size. Over his first two seasons, Ingram has rushed the ball 278 times for 1076 yards, and found the end zone on 10 occasions.

Where Ingram hasn’t fit in with the Saints – the passing game. He’s only caught 17 passes for 75 yards in two seasons. Not exactly what you’d expect from an eligible receiver in New Orleans…

However, I don’t really view that as a bad thing. Ingram is what he is – a running back. He’s a very versatile back, with a good mix of speed and power. He’s an Emmitt Smith-type of running back, that’s just going to get the job done.

I think the Saints need to give Ingram more carries in 2013. It’s time for him to be a bigger part of their offense, because it’s one in desperate need of some balance. Ingram has averaged 10 attempts per game so far in his career, and that number should increase to somewhere between 15 – 20.

Mark Ingram is the best true running back the Saints have, and it’s time they gave him a real chance to show what he can do in the NFL

Read more at New Orleans Saints: Mark Ingram Needs to Emerge

No, it's not time to give Ingram more carries and no Ingram is not the best true running back the Saints have.

It is however, time to trade Ingram while he still has value and it is time to give Ivory more carries because he IS the best true running back the Saints have.

Nemesis · 03-24-2013, 04:08 AM

How often was Ingram a part of the passing game back in school?

CheramieIII · 03-24-2013, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

No, it's not time to give Ingram more carries and no Ingram is not the best true running back the Saints have.

It is however, time to trade Ingram while he still has value and it is time to give Ivory more carries because he IS the best true running back the Saints have.

I acutally agree with the trade theory. with PT, Ivory, Cadet and Sproles we have a decent backfield and Ingram could bring us a great NT or OT or both.

Euphoria · 03-24-2013, 10:49 AM

Ivory and PT need more touches that Ingram. You earn touches and deserve them don't get them because you need practice.

Utah_Saint · 03-24-2013, 11:14 AM

It's been said before but I agree that plays for Ingram are too predictable. When Pierre or Darren line up in the backfield, it might be a rush up the middle, around the end, a sweep, a screen or Drew might play action and throw it down field. When Ingram lines up in the backfield the only question is will he run off guard or off tackle...

Or at least that the way it seems to me.

Just my opinion but I don't think there's a problem. Even in a bad year like they had last season, as a unit, they averaged 4.3 yards per carry, it could be better but it's definitely not shabby for a team built around the pass. I think they'll work Ingram into more aspects of the game as time goes on but they were without their head coach last season and he has to share the backfield with 3 other great running backs.

Rell&Gold · 03-24-2013, 04:36 PM

Everybody runs behind the same O-line...so that o-line theory is kind out the window and Everybody in the world knows when Ivory is in we're going to run but he still seems to avg. 4-5 yac...My theory is Ingram has bad ballcarrier vision

Rell&Gold · 03-24-2013, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by TreyThomas

Where the hell are people getting this 2.6 YPC from???? Are these made up numbers???

From what I saw, his YPC was 3.9 for both seasons. 4.0 is AVERAGE. And is everyone not taking into account that he goes in nearly every single time for short yardage gains where the defense is stacking the box???

Or the 1-2 yard touchdown carries??? Or did you think those don't count against his YPC?? This conversation is getting ridiculous. I agree he isn't an Adrian Peterson, and he could be better, but let's not get carried away.

He only has 5 rush td;s so idk how many of those come into play on the Goal line

03-23-2013, 06:03 AM	#41
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	1. Go back in the time machine, you'll see I outlined exactly how Ingram was utilized last season and it was extremely predictable what and where was going down when he entered the game. I brought that up and identified it. 2. Where does 2.6 YPC come from? Every game he was in until Ivory was put in.. Apparently Ivory makes Ingram run better. 3. Needs more carries to have a better YPC is BS. If productivity is a direct result of having to have more carries and rhythm then we should gain crapola on the ground the first 1/2.... Correct? Another reason I don't but this need more.... Need rhythm crapola is because PT doesn't need it, Sproles doesn't need it, Ivory doesn't need it. Some of you seem to think I don't care for Ingram... Not true at all. I'm just. It going to make excuses for him parking in a Tackles ass.
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03-23-2013, 09:52 AM	#42
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Needs a couple more per game. we have way too many weapons to make him a workhorse like many teams would use him. The power of our offense is the unpredictability for the defense on every play. They have to plan for every thing and hope for the best.

03-23-2013, 07:42 PM	#43
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by CheramieIII Needs a couple more per game. we have way too many weapons to make him a workhorse like many teams would use him. The power of our offense is the unpredictability for the defense on every play. They have to plan for every thing and hope for the best. Thank you Cheramie... that is the bottom line. Why do we care if Ingram gets more touches? To be honest, I didn't really know how to comment on this, because I find a flaw in any argument that's purpose if to give more carries to Mark Ingram just because. Truth is, he has done nothing special for this team. AND news flash… he got the most carries of any back last year. WHY? Ingram - Career 3.9 ypg PT - Career 4.8 ypg Is Ingram better than Pierre or Sproles in the passing game? Not even close. But yet people keep wanting to believe this guy is about to "get it." Sorry, I am done waiting. I did it with Adrian Arrington and Robert Meachem and don't have the time to do it for this guy. He's average... at best. I hope I am wrong. Because that means the Saints will have one of the best RBs in the game. I hope I am very wrong. But, who really cares? What are we really arguing for? One stud? Why? Between the 4 we have a lethal rush/pass attack… Combined the 4 RB’s ran for 1536 yards…and caught 122 balls and accounted for 17 TDs. The Vikings RBs ran for a combined 2266, caught 60 balls and scored 15 TDs. Their offense 20th in the league, ours 2nd. They just didn't have the worst defense ever... So I ask again, why does it have to be one guy? CheramieIII and amazin15 like this.
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03-24-2013, 03:24 AM	#44
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Coming into the NFL as a Heisman trophy winner, Mark Ingram had fairly high expectations. He went late in the first round to the New Orleans Saints, and joined a team that was built around passing. Ingram didn’t join the Saints as a guy who would be a workhorse, he joined a team that had multiple running backs that split time on a pass-heavy offense. Safe to say, he hasn’t exactly gotten a ton of carries in his first two seasons. It’s too early to tell if Ingram is yet another Heisman bust in the NFL, because we simply haven’t seen a large enough sample size. Over his first two seasons, Ingram has rushed the ball 278 times for 1076 yards, and found the end zone on 10 occasions. Where Ingram hasn’t fit in with the Saints – the passing game. He’s only caught 17 passes for 75 yards in two seasons. Not exactly what you’d expect from an eligible receiver in New Orleans… However, I don’t really view that as a bad thing. Ingram is what he is – a running back. He’s a very versatile back, with a good mix of speed and power. He’s an Emmitt Smith-type of running back, that’s just going to get the job done. I think the Saints need to give Ingram more carries in 2013. It’s time for him to be a bigger part of their offense, because it’s one in desperate need of some balance. Ingram has averaged 10 attempts per game so far in his career, and that number should increase to somewhere between 15 – 20. Mark Ingram is the best true running back the Saints have, and it’s time they gave him a real chance to show what he can do in the NFL Read more at New Orleans Saints: Mark Ingram Needs to Emerge No, it's not time to give Ingram more carries and no Ingram is not the best true running back the Saints have. It is however, time to trade Ingram while he still has value and it is time to give Ivory more carries because he IS the best true running back the Saints have.

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03-24-2013, 08:27 AM	#46
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by Marlboro Man No, it's not time to give Ingram more carries and no Ingram is not the best true running back the Saints have. It is however, time to trade Ingram while he still has value and it is time to give Ivory more carries because he IS the best true running back the Saints have. I acutally agree with the trade theory. with PT, Ivory, Cadet and Sproles we have a decent backfield and Ingram could bring us a great NT or OT or both. amazin15 likes this.

03-24-2013, 10:49 AM	#47
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Ivory and PT need more touches that Ingram. You earn touches and deserve them don't get them because you need practice. mikesaintfan and Rell&Gold like this.

03-24-2013, 11:14 AM	#48
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries It's been said before but I agree that plays for Ingram are too predictable. When Pierre or Darren line up in the backfield, it might be a rush up the middle, around the end, a sweep, a screen or Drew might play action and throw it down field. When Ingram lines up in the backfield the only question is will he run off guard or off tackle... Or at least that the way it seems to me. Just my opinion but I don't think there's a problem. Even in a bad year like they had last season, as a unit, they averaged 4.3 yards per carry, it could be better but it's definitely not shabby for a team built around the pass. I think they'll work Ingram into more aspects of the game as time goes on but they were without their head coach last season and he has to share the backfield with 3 other great running backs. dizzle88 and Shoe. like this.

03-24-2013, 04:36 PM	#49
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Everybody runs behind the same O-line...so that o-line theory is kind out the window and Everybody in the world knows when Ivory is in we're going to run but he still seems to avg. 4-5 yac...My theory is Ingram has bad ballcarrier vision

03-24-2013, 04:51 PM	#50
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Mark Ingram Needs More Carries Originally Posted by TreyThomas Where the hell are people getting this 2.6 YPC from???? Are these made up numbers??? From what I saw, his YPC was 3.9 for both seasons. 4.0 is AVERAGE. And is everyone not taking into account that he goes in nearly every single time for short yardage gains where the defense is stacking the box??? Or the 1-2 yard touchdown carries??? Or did you think those don't count against his YPC?? This conversation is getting ridiculous. I agree he isn't an Adrian Peterson, and he could be better, but let's not get carried away. He only has 5 rush td;s so idk how many of those come into play on the Goal line

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