James Harrison to Saints?

lee909 · 03-27-2013, 03:39 AM

I really don't now what to think about this.Age and declining stats last year make me wary,though the steelers were a mess last season.
Depends on money I suppose,it would be nice to get holes filled pre draft and get the best players rather than pick from need.

Seer1 · 03-27-2013, 07:18 AM

I'd rate him over Freeney in putting together a 3-4. That front of ours could use a little nasty. As long as he keeps his stupid under control he could give us a year to help us build a defense. Plus, he's gotta be a brother of a different mother with the way he feels about rogger...

rezburna · 03-27-2013, 07:55 AM

You need *******s like him on a football team. I'd love to have him. He can get to the QB. That's all that matters.

TheOak · 03-27-2013, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

My two personal reasons why I don't want him are this:

1- He's a major douche bag (not good for team chemistry).
2- He isn't simply not as good as he used to be. He's not even close.

The fact that he's 35 doesn't help, but if the first two reasons didn't apply, then I would take him at a low cost.

His "not as good as he used to be" sack numbers for 2012 are higher than any Saints LB in the last 5 years, and right with our DEs.

Harrison 2012: 6 sacks

Vilmas Best = 4 in 2010
Shanles Best = 4 in 2008
Loftons Best = 2 in 2010
Hawthornes Best = 4 in 2009

His attitude is similar to Kyle Turley, or Shockey.. And I have bromance for those guys.

While some would find his comment to Ben Roethlisberger offensive (Roethlisberger fans)... it was spot on and echoed what many people in these forums said about Drews INTs last year.

“Hey, at least throw a pick on their side of the field instead of asking the D to bail you out again,” Harrison said. “Or hand the ball off and stop trying to act like Peyton Manning. You ain’t that and you know it, man; you just get paid like he does.”

I would not say we want James Harrison, I would say we need James Harrison... Because quite frankly our other LB options are not as good. In the this case a downgrade for the Steelers is an upgrade for us.

CheramieIII · 03-27-2013, 08:52 AM

hey if we can get him on the cheap for a year or 2 with a large signing bonus or roster bonuses next year then I say get him and Victor too. with lofton hawthorne butler and harrison our linebackers would be the best in the league

Torfino · 03-27-2013, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Attitude, yes. Leadership, not so much. The guy is a tool, and I could care less where he ends up. I wouldn't want him in his prime. He is certainly far past that.

We have more than enough young talented pass rushing linebackers to gamble with, without taking a shot in the dark with Harrison, IMO.

Leadership not so much? According to his Steelers teammates he was a big presence in the locker room, a leader by example in the weight room and film room, and many would take a bullet for him. Almost any story you read about him mentions him as a team leader and very popular with teammates.

How can we not want DeBo on our team? Mr Monday Night? The Assassin? The SilverBack? All nicknames given to him by teammates and Steelers announcers because he's strong as an ox and knocks people the **** out. This guy is a beast and would look at home in the black and gold.

lsutigerfan · 03-27-2013, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

hey if we can get him on the cheap for a year or 2 with a large signing bonus or roster bonuses next year then I say get him and Victor too. with lofton hawthorne butler and harrison our linebackers would be the best in the league

You're having a hard time convincing me hawthorne, Lotion, Butler and Harrison would be the best set of LB's in the league. That title resides in San Francisco and its not even close.

FinSaint · 03-27-2013, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

His "not as good as he used to be" sack numbers for 2012 are higher than any Saints LB in the last 5 years, and right with our DEs.

Harrison 2012: 6 sacks

Vilmas Best = 4 in 2010
Shanles Best = 4 in 2008
Loftons Best = 2 in 2010
Hawthornes Best = 4 in 2009

None of the four LBs that played or play for the Saints have been rushing OLBs in a 3-4 defense as far as I know, which would put the validity of the comparison into question.

burningmetal · 03-27-2013, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by lsutigerfan

I don't ever remember him being in trouble off the field. In fact, the only thing I do remember is him beating the hell out of QB's, if that's the douch bag you're talking about I'll take it. Sign that douch bag!

I didn't say he was in trouble. I said he's a douche bag, and that is precisely what I mean. He's always running his mouth about everything, and while I kind of laugh at his remarks about Goodell (because there have been some unfair fines sent his way), he DOES take a lot of cheap shots on players. I'm all for playing the game with intensity. You can't have success without intensity. But there is a lack of integrity in a person who just runs around like a kamikaze trying to knock everyone's head off. Hard hits are great, but when you can clearly see a guy coming and you intentionally hit him in the head, that is unacceptable.

I've often complained about all the helmet to helmet rules, because it's usually incidental contact that ends up being flagged. But I'm not for a guy who clearly does that crap on purpose. And then he whines and says he's being unfairly treated. Like I said, his reputation has led to some unfair fines, but there's no way he can try to convince anyone that he isn't a dirty player.

Does this answer your question?

burningmetal · 03-27-2013, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

None of the four LBs that played or play for the Saints have been rushing OLBs in a 3-4 defense as far as I know, which would put the validity of the comparison into question.

I was just getting ready to reply with exactly this. We did not have a system that called for our linebackers to rush. Henceforth, we did not acquire pass rushing linebackers.

Vilma was a great player when we got him, but he did not come with a reputation as a pass rusher. Same with Lofton. Hawthorne is another middle linebacker who has had to play on the outside. We have Wilson and Gallette who are more than capable of being pass rush specialists.

Harrison would not have succeeded in a 4-3, either.

03-27-2013, 07:18 AM	#22
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: James Harrison to Saints? I'd rate him over Freeney in putting together a 3-4. That front of ours could use a little nasty. As long as he keeps his stupid under control he could give us a year to help us build a defense. Plus, he's gotta be a brother of a different mother with the way he feels about rogger...

03-27-2013, 07:55 AM	#23
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,131	Re: James Harrison to Saints? You need *******s like him on a football team. I'd love to have him. He can get to the QB. That's all that matters.

03-27-2013, 08:48 AM	#24
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,058	Re: James Harrison to Saints? Originally Posted by burningmetal My two personal reasons why I don't want him are this: 1- He's a major douche bag (not good for team chemistry). 2- He isn't simply not as good as he used to be. He's not even close. The fact that he's 35 doesn't help, but if the first two reasons didn't apply, then I would take him at a low cost. His "not as good as he used to be" sack numbers for 2012 are higher than any Saints LB in the last 5 years, and right with our DEs. Harrison 2012: 6 sacks Vilmas Best = 4 in 2010 Shanles Best = 4 in 2008 Loftons Best = 2 in 2010 Hawthornes Best = 4 in 2009 His attitude is similar to Kyle Turley, or Shockey.. And I have bromance for those guys. While some would find his comment to Ben Roethlisberger offensive (Roethlisberger fans)... it was spot on and echoed what many people in these forums said about Drews INTs last year. “Hey, at least throw a pick on their side of the field instead of asking the D to bail you out again,” Harrison said. “Or hand the ball off and stop trying to act like Peyton Manning. You ain’t that and you know it, man; you just get paid like he does.” I would not say we want James Harrison, I would say we need James Harrison... Because quite frankly our other LB options are not as good. In the this case a downgrade for the Steelers is an upgrade for us.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

03-27-2013, 08:52 AM	#25
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: James Harrison to Saints? hey if we can get him on the cheap for a year or 2 with a large signing bonus or roster bonuses next year then I say get him and Victor too. with lofton hawthorne butler and harrison our linebackers would be the best in the league Who Dat Que likes this.

03-27-2013, 09:23 AM	#26
Torfino Rookie Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 12	Re: James Harrison to Saints? Originally Posted by burningmetal Attitude, yes. Leadership, not so much. The guy is a tool, and I could care less where he ends up. I wouldn't want him in his prime. He is certainly far past that. We have more than enough young talented pass rushing linebackers to gamble with, without taking a shot in the dark with Harrison, IMO. Leadership not so much? According to his Steelers teammates he was a big presence in the locker room, a leader by example in the weight room and film room, and many would take a bullet for him. Almost any story you read about him mentions him as a team leader and very popular with teammates. How can we not want DeBo on our team? Mr Monday Night? The Assassin? The SilverBack? All nicknames given to him by teammates and Steelers announcers because he's strong as an ox and knocks people the **** out. This guy is a beast and would look at home in the black and gold. TheOak, Jamessr and Who Dat Que like this.
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03-27-2013, 03:39 AM	#21
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	I really don't now what to think about this.Age and declining stats last year make me wary,though the steelers were a mess last season. Depends on money I suppose,it would be nice to get holes filled pre draft and get the best players rather than pick from need.

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lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: James Harrison to Saints? Originally Posted by CheramieIII hey if we can get him on the cheap for a year or 2 with a large signing bonus or roster bonuses next year then I say get him and Victor too. with lofton hawthorne butler and harrison our linebackers would be the best in the league You're having a hard time convincing me hawthorne, Lotion, Butler and Harrison would be the best set of LB's in the league. That title resides in San Francisco and its not even close.

03-27-2013, 12:16 PM	#28
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: James Harrison to Saints? Originally Posted by TheOak His "not as good as he used to be" sack numbers for 2012 are higher than any Saints LB in the last 5 years, and right with our DEs. Harrison 2012: 6 sacks Vilmas Best = 4 in 2010 Shanles Best = 4 in 2008 Loftons Best = 2 in 2010 Hawthornes Best = 4 in 2009 None of the four LBs that played or play for the Saints have been rushing OLBs in a 3-4 defense as far as I know, which would put the validity of the comparison into question. burningmetal, Joker and Who Dat Que like this.

03-27-2013, 12:26 PM	#29
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: James Harrison to Saints? Originally Posted by lsutigerfan I don't ever remember him being in trouble off the field. In fact, the only thing I do remember is him beating the hell out of QB's, if that's the douch bag you're talking about I'll take it. Sign that douch bag! I didn't say he was in trouble. I said he's a douche bag, and that is precisely what I mean. He's always running his mouth about everything, and while I kind of laugh at his remarks about Goodell (because there have been some unfair fines sent his way), he DOES take a lot of cheap shots on players. I'm all for playing the game with intensity. You can't have success without intensity. But there is a lack of integrity in a person who just runs around like a kamikaze trying to knock everyone's head off. Hard hits are great, but when you can clearly see a guy coming and you intentionally hit him in the head, that is unacceptable. I've often complained about all the helmet to helmet rules, because it's usually incidental contact that ends up being flagged. But I'm not for a guy who clearly does that crap on purpose. And then he whines and says he's being unfairly treated. Like I said, his reputation has led to some unfair fines, but there's no way he can try to convince anyone that he isn't a dirty player. Does this answer your question?
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-27-2013, 12:31 PM	#30
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: James Harrison to Saints? Originally Posted by FinSaint None of the four LBs that played or play for the Saints have been rushing OLBs in a 3-4 defense as far as I know, which would put the validity of the comparison into question. I was just getting ready to reply with exactly this. We did not have a system that called for our linebackers to rush. Henceforth, we did not acquire pass rushing linebackers. Vilma was a great player when we got him, but he did not come with a reputation as a pass rusher. Same with Lofton. Hawthorne is another middle linebacker who has had to play on the outside. We have Wilson and Gallette who are more than capable of being pass rush specialists. Harrison would not have succeeded in a 4-3, either. Who Dat Que likes this.

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