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Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 504537)

Where he was drafted is irrelevant. All he has to show anyone is that he's a good RB. There's no need to justify his cost, only to justify making the team.

Loomis is the one who should justify Ingram's cost.

Ingram was a very late 1st rounder. Its not Ingram's fault the Saints paid more than the 28th pick to acquire him.

You're right that the culpability falls to Loomis for selecting Ingram in the first round; I've posted that before and couldn't agree any more than I have...

Now the decisions for starting and playing time, regarding one player over another, should be independent of how a player arrived to a roster - we've both lauded Coach Payton that he trends that way and what makes him respected by players.

But you're kidding yourself if you don't think that first round selections and their production and impact are not and should not be held to a higher standard than players selected in later rounds or undrafted rookie free agents...

And the coaching staff has as much blame in Ingram's stunted development and impact for failing to get him the touches and the rhythm necessary for him to be the impact back he was selected to be...

My argument is that those opportunities should be there for him this season and it's on him to make the most of them...

I would even argue that Charles Brown is a potential busted pick if he fails to secure the starting left tackle job based on his time on this team AND the pick that was invested to select him...

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (R)

FB Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (RFA)

WR Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Saalim Hakim (FA), Brent Leonard (RFA)

LT Charles Brown, Marcel Jones, Terron Armstead (R3)

LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (RFA)

OC Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(RFA)

RG Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT Zach Strief, Jason Smith (FA), Bryce Harris (FA)

TE Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (RFA), Keavon Milton (RFA)

FL Lance Moore, Joseph Morgan, Andy Tanner, Jarred Fayson, Preston Parker (FA), Kenny Stills (R5)

DEFENSE

RDE Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Jay Richardson

NT Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA)

LDE Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (RFA)

JACK Will Smith, Junior Galette, Chase Thomas (RFA), Ray Shipman (RFA)

WILL Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (RFA)

MIKE Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (RFA)

SAM Martez Wilson, Victor Butler (FA), Rufus Johnson (R6), Baraka Atkins (FA)

CB Keenan Lewis, Jabari Greer, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

FS Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson, Jim Leonhard (FA)

SS Kenny Vaccaro (R1), Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus,

CB Patrick Robinson, Corey White, Rod Sweeting (RFA), Ryan Steed (FA)

KICKING

PK Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (RFA)

P Thomas Morstead

LS Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

BOLD > New Additions

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013

I'm sure liking how the DL is shaping up. Still a little concerned with the OL though.

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013

Outside Linebacker, Left Tackle, Right Tackle, Kicker are what I consider our biggest concerns...

Though I feel slightly better about Outside Linebacker than I did since Free Agency, Draft, Rookie Free Agency...

Not seeing Galette having the speed/agility set to play the Jack LBer 3-4 Pro Formation...

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013

In case you missed it...

Keenan Lewis, Patrick Robinson, Martez Wilson practice with New Orleans Saints first-string defense on Thursday | NOLA.com

Patrick Robinson still first string?!?

Will Smith still first string?!?

David Hawthorne injured?!?

Vilma still recovering?!?

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013

Its OTA's, starters mean nothing.

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013

Yeah, that's pretty much what the article read here as well...

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Offseason can be torture, especially after the season we've had...

Well, we get another ration of water in the Offseason Desert starting today...

May 28-30: Organized Team Activity Session 2 (Voluntary)

June 4-6: Minicamp (Mandatory)

June 10-13: Organized Team Activity Session 3 (Voluntary)

July ~24: Training Camp

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (R)

FB Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (RFA)

WR Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Saalim Hakim (FA), Brent Leonard (RFA)

LT Jason Smith (FA), Charles Brown, Terron Armstead (R3)

LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (RFA)

OC Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(RFA)

RG Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT Zach Strief, Marcel Jones, Bryce Harris (FA)

TE Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (RFA), Keavon Milton (RFA)

FL Lance Moore, Joseph Morgan, Andy Tanner, Jarred Fayson, Preston Parker (FA), Kenny Stills (R5)

DEFENSE

RDE Cameron Jordan, Jay Richardson, Tyrunn Walker, Kenyon Coleman (FA)

NT Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA)

LDE Tom Johnson, Akiem Hicks, Glenn Foster (RFA)

JACK Will Smith, Junior Galette, Baraka Atkins (FA), Chase Thomas (RFA)

WILL David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Jon Vilma, Austin Johnson

MIKE Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Ray Shipman (RFA), Kevin Reddick (RFA)

SAM Martez Wilson, Victor Butler (FA), Rufus Johnson (R6), Eric Martin (RFA)

CB Keenan Lewis, Jabari Greer, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

FS Malcolm Jenkins, Jim Leonhard (FA), Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson

SS Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus, Kenny Vaccaro (R1)

CB Patrick Robinson, Corey White, Rod Sweeting (RFA), Ryan Steed (FA)

KICKING

PK Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (RFA)

P Thomas Morstead

LS Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

BOLD > New Additions

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013

Understanding Coach Payton's Comments regarding the depth chart being fluid, dynamic - the biggest area of concern has to be at the Tackle positions, especially at Left Tackle...

The only scenario I can see us getting a quality, proven Left Tackle would be a trade and the Rams have the only "expendable" Left Tackle...

The best case scenario would involve the unlikely task of selling the Rams on Will Smith who clearly doesn't fit the new 3-4 scheme being installed; and would give us some salary cap relief which same salary probably precludes trading him...

Another other option would be to trade a WR to the WR-poor Rams. And the only proven commodities on the roster is Franchise's Best Marques Colston, which would be an anathema...

That leaves an unlikely trade of sure-handed Lance Moore (though Moore would make for an attractive bargaining chip); the only way Moore becomes available is if Morgan, Toon and Stills ALL step up in the offseason...

Stills would be the key as he's the most comparable receiver to Moore; his route running and speed are already there, but it is the hands that are still the question mark...

Toon's size lends him to being a candidate as a Colston successor...

Morgan appears to be Devery Henderson's successor...

So it'll be a wait and see if Jason Smith can step up in the off-season as Charles Brown seems condemned to NFL Injury List Purgatory...