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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 510116)

'New chapter' as Vilma dealt from Jets to Saints - NFL - ESPN

By John Clayton | ESPN.com

Updated: February 29, 2008, 10:53 PM ET

"The Jets were going one direction, and I was going a different direction," Vilma said Friday. "I'm just glad I'm getting back into a 4-3 defense. This is better for both sides."

Vilma, considered a bit undersized at linebacker, didn't fit in as well in the Jets' 3-4 scheme. Unless the nose tackle in a 3-4 occupies two blockers, the middle linebacker in a 3-4 is subject to a steady diet of blocking guards or centers pounding on his body.

It wasn't the move to the 3-4, it was a move to a 2-gap 3-4 scheme in which Vilma would be taking on O-Linemen.

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 510126)

It wasn't the move to the 3-4, it was a move to a 2-gap 3-4 scheme in which Vilma would be taking on O-Linemen.

Okay.

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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (UDFA)

FB (1) Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB (4) Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (UDFA)

WR (3) Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Jarred Fayson, Brent Leonard (UDFA)

LT (2) Charles Brown, Marcel Jones, Terron Armstead (R3)

LG (2) Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (UDFA)

OC (1) Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(UDFA)

RG (2) Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT (2) Zach Strief, Jason Smith (FA), Bryce Harris (FA)

TE (3) Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (UDFA), Keavon Milton (UDFA)

FL (3) Lance Moore, Kenny Stills (R5), Saalim Hakim (FA), Andy Tanner, Preston Parker (FA), Joseph Morgan

DEFENSE

RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Glenn Foster (UDFA)

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Tyrunn Walker, Isaako Aaitui (FA)

LDE (2) Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Jay Richardson

SAM (2) Martez Wilson, Rufus Johnson (R6), Baraka Atkins (FA), Victor Butler (FA)

MIKE (2) Curtis Lofton, Ramon Humber, Chris Chamberlain, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL (2) David Hawthorne, Jon Vilma, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

JACK (3) Will Smith, Junior Galette, Chase Thomas (UDFA), Ray Shipman (UDFA)

CB (3) Jabari Greer, Corey White, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA), Chris Carr (FA)

SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro (R1), Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus

FS (3) Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jim Leonhard (FA), Jerico Nelson

CB (2) Keenan Lewis, Patrick Robinson, Rod Sweeting (UDFA), Ryan Steed (FA)

KICKING

PK (1) Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (UDFA)

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

Key:

POS (#) Likely Slots

Incumbent Starter

Additions (Acquired Via)

Hot Seat

Injured

***UPDATE*** Next Thursday, 18 July, Rookies Report

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Movin' Hawthorne in front of Vilma? Bold move there.

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Did you mean Jordan at LED and Hicks at RDE? On paper Jordan does look like a better RDE than a LDE.

It seems to me that playing Jordan as a 3-tech RDE plays to his pass rush ability, and moving Hicks to the LDE playing the 5 tech plays to his strength and size.

I'm still new to all the nuances of the 3-4 over and 3-4 under alignments but it sure looks to my amature eyes that Jordan looks to be a better fit at the RDE.

But then again playing Hicks at RDE would give Vilma a much bigger body playing in front of him. Thats what the Ravens did with Ngata and it worked pretty well.

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 510437)

Movin' Hawthorne in front of Vilma? Bold move there.

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 510438)

I'm a Vilma fan, but I don't see him having an easy task making this roster for a couple of reasons...

Salary, Unless Hawthorne breaks down, can't see committing that much salary to two players "sharing" the same position - contemporary NFL finances precludes it...

Size, Vilma doesn't haven't the frame; though he's listed an inch taller than Hawthorne, he's not built as well as Hawthorne to take on Off Linemen as a 34 LB will...

Age, he's a linebacker with ten (10) years now in the league and a degenerative knee condition that's deteriorating, limiting his playing time - just don't see this happening...

Then add in the remote, but possible chance that one of other newer, younger, faster linebacker additions may just outplay him physically...

Vilma has given us some great moments which I am grateful, but he's got a big mountain ahead of him...

Don't mind being wrong, but Vilma himself didn't want to play in a 34 with the Jets (posted his own words) no matter what the defensive front protection is because of the more physical nature with the O line guys...

Jordan shot up draft boards, as he was a 34 RDE (which would be opposite the Jack LBer)...

Think back to what KC had with LB Derrick Thomas opposite DE Neil Smith; now, not saying we have that talent level, but a similar scheme or complement would be likely comparison...

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See Hicks, with his size, tying up a TE and OT, allowing the OLB to attack and push plays to middle, containment...

The Jack LBer could really tee off from this position...

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 510455)

I was thinking off all the praise Sean and Rob were heaping on him a couple of weeks ago. I'm probably being sucked in by the commercials huh? Yeah, we all know anything can happen. If Vilma goes down in preseason, I could see him going home. I agree that we have some young LBs with the potential to step up and take his place and there's no way they'd want to pay someone that kind of salary to watch from the bench.

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 510455)

Jordan shot up draft boards, as he was a 34 RDE (which would be opposite the Jack LBer)...

RDE plays over the offense's left tackle. Will Smith was a RDE, Cam Jordan played the LDE, which is the strong side.